 Re: Standstill in protection training, need input
[Re: Jeffrey Hill ]
#375757 - 03/26/2013 06:03 AM |
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Re: Standstill in protection training, need input
[Re: Tresa Hendrix ]
#375762 - 03/26/2013 09:11 AM |
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I will take video when we are at the trainers next time, with their permission.
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Re: Standstill in protection training, need input
[Re: Jeffrey Hill ]
#375764 - 03/26/2013 09:23 AM |
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I would personally pull her out of there.
BUT, if you're going to make a video, we need the entire training session and we need it to be exactly what they've been doing. Do not tailor it to look good on the Internet or try and show us what we want to see. We need to see exactly what's going on.
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Re: Standstill in protection training, need input
[Re: Jeffrey Hill ]
#375765 - 03/26/2013 09:41 AM |
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*rewind*
Is this the same dog that used to pee and become uncertain around people that want to pet her?
And now she's defensive at strangers and barks at them?
Jeffrey, this dog can be a great companion and she's being turned into a nervous wreck.
People spend their dogs' lifetimes trying to undo the type of behavior you're getting from this dog.
I understand it really sucks she's not what you wanted her to be, but there are good homes for her out there if you really want a protection dog, or you can accept her and love her for what she is (and isn't).
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Re: Standstill in protection training, need input
[Re: Katie Finlay ]
#375766 - 03/26/2013 10:31 AM |
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*rewind*
Is this the same dog that used to pee and become uncertain around people that want to pet her?
And now she's defensive at strangers and barks at them?
Jeffrey, this dog can be a great companion and she's being turned into a nervous wreck.
People spend their dogs' lifetimes trying to undo the type of behavior you're getting from this dog.
I understand it really sucks she's not what you wanted her to be, but there are good homes for her out there if you really want a protection dog, or you can accept her and love her for what she is (and isn't).
Yes .... same dog (unless Jeffrey has two dogs named Heidi).
http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=32129&page=1#358995
http://leerburg.com/webboard/thread.php?topic_id=32129&page=1#359070
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Re: Standstill in protection training, need input
[Re: Jeffrey Hill ]
#375770 - 03/26/2013 12:28 PM |
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Hi Jeffrey
First thing is I don't like anyone training my dog in bite work when I am not present, preferably an active part of the training process but at the bare minimum present.
People that have been around for a while can you tell you bad things can happen when someone is training a dog for dollars. Not saying it is what is happening here but all too often I've seen situations like this when the dogs best interest is not part of the equation.
Not even remotely.
What you may want to consider is teaching your dog to alert on command, no bite necessary. This is a great deterrent in the vast majority of situations.
I have seen some really bad stuff in board and train situations. Especially in Personal Protection.
Again, not saying anything about the people you are using, these are general comments.
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Re: Standstill in protection training, need input
[Re: Betty Waldron ]
#375799 - 03/27/2013 10:17 AM |
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Hi Jeffrey
First thing is I don't like anyone training my dog in bite work when I am not present, preferably an active part of the training process but at the bare minimum present.
People that have been around for a while can you tell you bad things can happen when someone is training a dog for dollars. Not saying it is what is happening here but all too often I've seen situations like this when the dogs best interest is not part of the equation.
Not even remotely.
What you may want to consider is teaching your dog to alert on command, no bite necessary. This is a great deterrent in the vast majority of situations.
I have seen some really bad stuff in board and train situations. Especially in Personal Protection.
Again, not saying anything about the people you are using, these are general comments.
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Re: Standstill in protection training, need input
[Re: Jeffrey Hill ]
#375811 - 03/27/2013 11:30 AM |
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^^^
yep!
I know for a fact a big black dog just standing there deters creepy people! Esp if trained to bark, they will likely assume its trained to bite too...if not, your best bet is a handgun!
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Re: Standstill in protection training, need input
[Re: Jeffrey Hill ]
#375812 - 03/27/2013 12:35 PM |
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When I walk my sable female people tell me all the time she is scary, they say "Beautiful, but scary, and I wouldn't want to pet her". Heck yes she is scary if I say the right word, or if you try to F**k with me or mine, but she is the MOST social Shepherd otherwise. Twice she has saved my butt in real life situations, this dog is my heart dog.
My male never barks, he is solid black and stares....his stare is scary enough - no need to bark. He can pinch skin through a large sleeve, so I am certain his bite would do a lot of damage - he's never had to use it, so I wouldn't know.
I agree with the previous posts, no more working without you there. Do not force tis dog into defence, and work on an alert bark. If someone is going to try and go through a barking, menacing dog, you will need a gun anyway.
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Re: Standstill in protection training, need input
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#375849 - 03/28/2013 07:40 PM |
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In reading back through other threads this dog does NOT belong on a bite field!
It doesn't sound like anything but pushing the dog into defense and I believe from reading all the other posts that this dog will be wrecked if it continues. When I walk my sable female people tell me all the time she is scary, they say "Beautiful, but scary, and I wouldn't want to pet her". Heck yes she is scary if I say the right word, or if you try to F**k with me or mine, but she is the MOST social Shepherd otherwise. Twice she has saved my butt in real life situations, this dog is my heart dog.
My male never barks, he is solid black and stares....his stare is scary enough - no need to bark. He can pinch skin through a large sleeve, so I am certain his bite would do a lot of damage - he's never had to use it, so I wouldn't know.
I agree with the previous posts, no more working without you there. Do not force tis dog into defence, and work on an alert bark. If someone is going to try and go through a barking, menacing dog, you will need a gun anyway.
I really hope that the O.P. is listening to these people who have no financial interest in this.
My stomach clenches when I read this thread.
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