The bark collar I used on Tanner had a vibration sensor in a probe that was on the receiver and sat pretty much right on his throat. The only interference I saw with it was collar tags but the manual specifically stated that you had to remove any other collars/tags.

I've seen other collars go off from a door/gate being closed. I think that probe sitting on the throat made a big difference.

probes in throats, electric shocks......thanks, I didn't need to sleep tonight.




MOD NOTE:
It's a sensor. That is, the preposition was "on," not "in."

Please, since you are against e-collar use, it's best not to advise on the threads in the e-collar section. The idea is responsible, informed use, including suggestions about where it may be inappropriate, rather than "YIKES, shock collars!"

You may want to watch the demos by Jeff Frawley or Ed Frawley with Greg Van Curen in which the e-collar is used on each of them.

Edited by Connie Sutherland (10/02/2014 05:43 PM)
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Hope you're being sarcastic or something. It's just a rounded post. Maybe probe wasn't the best descriptor?






Mod note: Maybe not the best term; "sensor" might be better.

Edited by Connie Sutherland (10/02/2014 05:47 PM)
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Peter,

I've read your responses and generally agree with your opinions.

A tired dog is often a more malleable dog, and likely to be more calm and less reactive. But there are some dogs that are more energizer bunny than not. And, of course, there is no substitute for training.

Then too, I've used electronic collars on some of the foster dogs who've come through the door. It was critical their behavior be modified very quickly because the alternative was not acceptable to me.

I'm not a fan of barking just to bark. I've little issue with a dog alerting me and the family to stuff going on but don't really need to know a robin was sitting on the deck rail, or a car was driving down the street, though I do want to know if one stopped.

In my mind all of the techniques discussed heretofore need to lead to a well trained dog. My favorite command is NO, and my second favorite command is ENOUGH. Over the years the NO command has become my shorthand for NO, NO, NO look at me for your next move. And ENOUGH simply means to stop what you are doing and do something else.

And I expect a dog to respond to my commands at distance. If it can hear me I expect it to comply. NO, ENOUGH, COME, GO, HERE, SIT, DOWN, UP, and so forth. And I expect that COME, HERE, SIT, DOWN are commands that require no further modifier. I don't use the STAY command because it is more of a suggestion in my world. Get in the truck would simply be UP, Stay, as in don't leave the truck bed.

I try to use distractions when I'm working with a dog to accustom it to focus on me and my commands to the exclusion of other stuff. I mostly use voice and physical rewards in training. Some sparing use of treats, so that the dog understands that compliance is not an automatic treat. Lots of praise for success and heaps of attitude and posturing for noncompliance.

My bride tells me that it is laughable to see the dogs all stand when I stand, and follow me around like its their mission. I usually just tell the mutts to DOWN.

But my real message is that there are any number of techniques that will result in compliance to commands, some are more in the order of I'm OK, you're OK, and some are much more attention getting. Not all dogs are lap oriented. Some require a bit more effort than others. And some are inclined, initially, to simply ignore training efforts.

Consistency is central to results. Do the same thing, in the same way, and the routine will generally result in conditioned compliance.

And a trouble free night's sleep.

A lot of assumptions have been made here. Let me clear things up a bit.

First off, the name of this Sub Forum is "Solving behavioral problems with a remote collar", not marker training.

My dog has already been obedience trained, and he's 6 years old. He gets a fair share of exercise, and Im currently training him to run along side a mountain bike. Marker training doesn't work for him, he has no food drive, and wont drop toys.

He's a great dog overall except for those 2 issues. Let me clarify whats going on because I think you guys are missing the severity of whats happening.

Before:
I make the dog sit at the door
I wait for him to look relaxed
I open the door to the backyard
He stays until released
I release him saying "go"
he takes ONE step outside
jumps, does a 180
faces me and starts barking and lunging at me aggressively
i walk towards him alpha like yelling "GO"

He lunges in, grabs me at the crotch ripping my jeans to pieces, or huge pieces off my sweatpants. Full on fight mode.
My gf went outside to join me once and he bit through her dress
THIS DOG IS FIGHTING ME, MY ROOMMATE AND GF FOR THE BACKYARD

I have more fight drive than this dog and find this completely, utterly, unacceptable. Ive pinned him to the ground until he's squealed. Ive kicked him in the chest, but he doesn't care. He'll do it again next time, and every time.

Theres some things that you just don't tolerate even once with a big strong dog. Aggression to children, running out your front door when its opened, and in this case trying to rip your manhood off.

If you think its dog abuse then you simply dont understand.

As far as the barking, Im only trying to stop the patrolling, non stop barking when I let him outside. Im not worried about when Im not here. Ya know why? No one is going to let him outside when Im not here.

Thanks for the mob mentality.

I don have video of the dog attacking anyone, but this is him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIC0c4CQ3ms&list=UUZjJRRZrfRo3tFecAxSPAFA

 Quote: Peter Cavallaro

probes in throats, electric shocks......thanks, I didn't need to sleep tonight.

Honestly, did you read the DETAILS in my earlier LINK at all ???

If not, then here it is again, for your Peace of Mind...

http://leerburg.com/bl100.htm

Also, have you watched the VIDEO CLIP here of Jeff Frawley actually STIMMING HIMSELF around the neck with an Educator E-Collar and even TIMING IT OUT on Continuous Mode while on his own throat ???

Seriously, none of us are encouraging anyone to abuse a dog, Peter

 Quote: Cathy Goessman

Hope you're being sarcastic or something. It's just a rounded post. Maybe probe wasn't the best descriptor?

I think "sensor" might have been a Better Choice of wording, Cathy

 Quote: John Stowe

First off, the name of this Sub Forum is "Solving Behavioral Problems WITH A REMOTE COLLAR", not marker training.

If you think its dog abuse then you simply dont understand.

As far as the barking, Im only trying to stop the patrolling, Non-Stop barking when I let him outside. Im not worried about when Im not here. Ya know why? No one is going to let him outside when Im not here.

Thanks for the mob mentality.

I don have video of the dog attacking anyone, but this is him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIC0c4CQ3ms&list=UUZjJRRZrfRo3tFecAxSPAFA

YES, this thread is properly posted on Leerburg's E-COLLAR FORUM, "Solving Behavioral Problems WITH REMOTE COLLARS" To the best of my limited knowledge, even THE Marker Training GURU Michael Ellis utilizes an E-COLLAR when one is warranted...

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I have more fight drive than this dog and find this completely, utterly, unacceptable. Ive pinned him to the ground until he's squealed. Ive kicked him in the chest, but he doesn't care. He'll do it again next time, and every time.

I'd use a leash John. Fighting like that, with him, I think there's a pretty good chance its just making it worse. The leash is just a better tool for teaching respect then an ecollar in a lot of ways.

 Quote: John Stowe

He lunges in, grabs me at the crotch ripping my jeans to pieces, or huge pieces off my sweatpants...

Theres some things that you just don't tolerate: in this case trying to rip your manhood off.

I don have video of the dog attacking anyone, but this is him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIC0c4CQ3ms&list=UUZjJRRZrfRo3tFecAxSPAFA

WOW, words fail me Except For these four:

"Athletic Cup" & "Dog Muzzle"

Meanwhile, do you have these two GREAT DVDs below ???

http://leerburg.com/301.htm

http://leerburg.com/318.htm