 Re: Energetic Breeds--->Manners
[Re: Peter Cavallaro ]
#394386 - 10/13/2014 11:04 PM |
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It is true that the breed type has been tweaked a lot over the decades.
Both our original Boxers were athletic and kept lean, had a more square head and didn't have some of the breathing problems later types did, and I agree that mostly these looks are borne of the particular aesthetic desired by the show dog people, and the subsequent progeny that can be sold for hundreds of pounds. The Boxers I have seen in recent times are shorter in the snout and resemble Bullmastiffs, in the UK at least.
And I have seen some hideously deformed Neo's in the last decade too, poor bloody animals can hardly walk or see or breath, and one particular unfortunate example was recently lauded as a supreme champion.
Every time a dog appears in a new film with children as the target audience, my heart sinks, because you just know that unscrupulous breeders the world over will start cashing in, the dog used in the Harry Potter films being one of them, and the amount of Dallies in rescues after the Disney films is depressing.
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Re: Energetic Breeds--->Manners
[Re: Mark Rundle ]
#394394 - 10/14/2014 04:41 AM |
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never owned a boxer but I think they are a striking looking breed that ooze athleticism.
a guy bought one out to the scrub when I was a kid (first one I had seen). we were catching feral bulls, the boxer went straight for the nose, the worst possible place on earth for a dog to grip a bull, the dog showed instinct and determination, I could not stand it and sent my staffy ACD mixes in to save it, they hit the sweet spot right at the base of the ear gripped and went to sleep there.
the boxer was saved but never worked again and nobody had any interest in starting another one, the nose grip would seem instinctual and not very practical in a catch dog imo.
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Re: Energetic Breeds--->Manners
[Re: Peter Cavallaro ]
#394395 - 10/14/2014 06:29 AM |
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I think and I am happy to stand corrected, but wasn't the original British Bulldog used for that very purpose? It was one of the bull breeds, again, I think!
NB - Bulldogs originally were used to drive cattle to market and to compete in a bloody sport called bullbaiting. Today, they're gentle companions who love kids. A brief walk and a nap on the sofa is just this dog breed's speed.
And of course the Bullmastiff is supposedly in the foundation stock of the Boxer, so I guess you could say this dog you speak of was reverting to type....
Edited by tracey holden (10/14/2014 06:29 AM)
Edit reason: Found this
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Re: Energetic Breeds--->Manners
[Re: Mark Rundle ]
#394396 - 10/14/2014 07:11 AM |
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please do not suggest, perhaps inadvertently, my post is somehow similar to a blood sport.
that would be highly offensive to me.
could be a misunderstanding.
some specific actions may be related vaguely but intentions and motivations are not in the same universe.
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Re: Energetic Breeds--->Manners
[Re: Mark Rundle ]
#394399 - 10/14/2014 10:00 AM |
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The original bulldogs were bred to catch bulls by the nose. That is the reason they have a smushed face; so that they could breathe while locked on.
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[Re: Duane Hull ]
#394401 - 10/14/2014 11:44 AM |
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The original bulldogs were bred to catch bulls by the nose.
That is the reason they have a smushed face; so that they could breathe while locked on.
LOL, not hardly, Duane 
THAT is actually the reason they CANNOT breathe well today -- Those original "Old" English Bulldogs were NOT the Caricatured CARTOON Canines produced by show breeders nowdays ... They looked somewhat more along the lines of what we know as the American Bulldog here in the USA, before the English Bulldog had its phenotype overly EXAGGERATED all to hell, IMHO.
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Re: Energetic Breeds--->Manners
[Re: Peter Cavallaro ]
#394405 - 10/14/2014 12:06 PM |
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please do not suggest, perhaps inadvertently, my post is somehow similar to a blood sport.
that would be highly offensive to me.
could be a misunderstanding.
some specific actions may be related vaguely but intentions and motivations are not in the same universe.
Never in a million years! That was a quote from a Bulldog breeder, maybe I should have put it in quotes!
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Re: Energetic Breeds--->Manners
[Re: Mark Rundle ]
#394408 - 10/14/2014 02:12 PM |
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the early breeders must have bred a lot of bull dogs cos gripping the nose of a aggressive bull is simply suicide for a dog in the most visually sickening way.
I guess England have Herefords and such and never seen a dangerous bull, which would kinda make more sense.
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[Re: Mark Rundle ]
#394415 - 10/14/2014 07:01 PM |
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Candi: I didn't just make that up. You should research.
Peter: According to all of the material I've read through the years, a painful, solid grip on the nose supposedly makes the bull a little easier to manage. Sounds like you know from experience.
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#394417 - 10/14/2014 08:30 PM |
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Here is a detailed accounting of how every physiological trait of the bulldog facilitated it's job of bullbaiting.
FWIW, For a period, law required that any bull slated to be butchered HAD TO BE baited.
http://www.bulldoginformation.com/standard-bullbaiting.html
Candi: Historians agree that the bulldog has been selectively bred into a caricature of its original working self.
Peter: I did see one quote from the seventeeth century about bulldogs tagging the ears of a bull while droving. However, all sources agree that the sport of baiting put the dog on the nose. They do reference many dogs being killed, but also say that a proper dog had no problem corkscrewing the bull against its own center of gravity.
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