Molly,

I was clarifying the brief comment above that stated she was the 1st to win it with a female.

If the comment was that she was the 1st to win it with her own breeding, I agree wholeheartedly.

I think it is a great achviement to do and then seeing T winning the HOT and Nationals in the same year (2005) with Karlo from his own breeding. Hopefully, these two have started a good trend.

I've met Manta, the dog she won the Universal Sieger with, she was quite the impressive dog. I was initially going to hold out for one of her pups as she bred her to a stud in early 2006 but with no luck. I was fortunate enough to meet both my dogs parents as the bitch was here from Germany and also got to see them both do some obedience work. I tell people outside of the sport this and they're like "Wow, you got to actually meet your dog's parents? I didn't think you could do that."

Kyle, interesting that I said exactly what your breeder said, (your puppy is just being a PUPPY, brat vs. bully) yet you are so impressed and amazed by the breeder! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Does show when the person who is talking already has respect, what they say is 'gospel' and it's easy to disregard the same info from someone else.

And she is also saying the same thing about NOT allowing the scuffle to get out of control. I mildly stated I'd step in to break it up, because I thought the puppies we were talking about were off leash. But seeing the leashes are involved, using them to break everything up and separate the combatatents is a great idea.

Think (course what do I know <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> ) you need to take a deep breath, calm down, and realize puppies are puppies. They NEED our help, guidance, and to learn from us. BUT they can be expected to misbehave, be too pushy, not listen................ I personally do not encourage almost any barking at 4 months (unless I know it's an excited play thing) because what often APPEARS to be 'protection/aggression' and people think 'oh, I have a good watch dog', is NOT coming from a safe and secure dog place, but from a scared and insecure puppy (NORMAL puppy) place. And if we HUMANS don't step in to make sure the puppy knows the world is a safe and secure place that I AM IN CHARGE OF so you can be calm, then we do end up with fearful/aggressive adult dogs.

Did I post this site for you to read? Can't remember you refering to any of the socialization sites I normally suggest. http://www.nwk9.com/early_life_management01.htm

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Kyle, interesting that I said exactly what your breeder said, (your puppy is just being a PUPPY, brat vs. bully) yet you are so impressed and amazed by the breeder! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Does show when the person who is talking already has respect, what they say is 'gospel' and it's easy to disregard the same info from someone else.

Think (course what do I know <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> ) you need to take a deep breath, calm down, and realize puppies are puppies.

Thanks for the response, Jenn, I appreciate your involvement in this thread which I started. I'm sorry that your so bothered by the fact that I have an existing, personal relationship with my breeder and may be more apt to give her advice more merit than someone I’ve never met and am unsure of what, if any qualifications they possess.

I joined this forum to speak with other dog owners/trainers/breeders about dogs. I was unaware of any stipulations that I must heed every piece of advice I get. The fact that the advice can and will be so diverse and varied would most certainly make that difficult to do.

PS – I don’t think it’s me that needs to take a deep breath and calm down.
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I'm sorry that your so bothered by the fact that I have an existing, personal relationship with my breeder and may be more apt to give her advice more merit than someone I’ve never met and am unsure of what, if any qualifications they possess.

I tried to put in the smilies so you wouldn't end up with hurt feelings. I'm sorry if you are upset and feel bad now. That wasn't my intent. I was just making a statement that I think it's funny (and I do) that when you spoke to your breeder and posted their response, it was like the first time you ever heard it, and it was BRILLIANT.

And, I agree, it was brilliant and correct! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I LOVE that you have a breeder that you trust and rely on. It's why I ALSO have a responsible breeder who is always the first person I go to when I have a question about my pups behaviors or any new developements I need to be concerned about.

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I was unaware of any stipulations that I must heed every piece of advice I get. The fact that the advice can and will be so diverse and varied would most certainly make that difficult to do.

I am POSITIVE that no one should follow all the advise they get on any website either. You are absolutely right you will get many diverse answers and suggestions, and you have to use what is right for your dog and your situation.

My point was, and I guess that I got a giggle from it is the problem, is that your breeder was right on target and saying what I had said!

And I'm calm as a cucumber, my dogs are wonderful, not aggressive, and I also have wonderful breeders, friends, training groups, etc. to come to for help and suggestions. I had thought you were a bit worried about your dog being too aggressive, and wanted to reassure you with my 'calm down' statement, that if you deal with this properly, your puppy is NORMAL and that this isn't really an issue at all.

Sorry if you are still bothered by my postings. Meant in the best of spirit and to be helpful. If you read them in that spirit, you'll see that I think you are doing a great job and glad you are dealing with this now when your pup is so young and not later when you may have a real problem.

Keep up the good work, and there are no stipulations on that! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />