 Re: Doberman vs GSD - "Gameness"?
[Re: Janice Jarman ]
#113736 - 09/14/2006 11:44 AM |
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Hayley, you say this:
>>>Quote>>>This guy said it best, and is how I define gameness too:
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Gameness is a willingness to succeed or overcome, no matter what hardship must be endured. A game dog is determined to beat its opponent, no matter what odds are stacked against it, even unto death. The quality of gameness should not be confused with prey drive or aggression, in a nutshell gameness is simply the will to win. This trait cannot be taught to a dog or a man. It is an innate quality extremely difficult to reproduce in dogs, yet one of the easiest to lose. As we breed for conformation in the Bull and Terrier breeds, we should not sacrifice gameness for the sake of conformation. This invisible inherited trait makes our breeds unique. It also passes on the steadfast rock-steady temperament that has made our dogs such wonderful companions.
Gameness remains one of the most admired characteristics<<<EndQuote
Didn't that quote come from a Pit Bull website, maybe BanDog? To describe the willingness of Pits to fight and keep on fighting no matter what? It sure does sound familiar to me.
If so, it sure doesn't strike me as a pertaining to this thread. (or as appropriate to this forum) <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
Janice, I guess it pertains to the convo about the two breeds and using the word game came up somewhere. As for the quote, I'd hardly use a source that came from anywhere promoting dog fighting...ugh. It's from http://www.staffordmall.com, and I didn't read a single word on the page by the original author advocating dog fighting or that he bred dog fighters, merely that he prized the traits considered 'game'.
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Re: Doberman vs GSD
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#113737 - 09/14/2006 11:57 AM |
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And of course the macho meatheads were so impressed that they now want their own GS pup. I don't think so. Here in Europe there are some people who perform well with a GS or an Airedale. But the GSD's and Mals always perform a lot better. So keep on dreaming and grooming.
The European breeders of Riesenschanuzers tend to title their dogs, unlike Americans. Several top breeders across Europe and Scandanavia participate in SchH and their dogs get very respectable scores - http://www.lobbachtal.de/pruefungen.html - ONDRA VPO III 96 99 96 291 - those aren't accidental scores. It's also a fact that they are bigger than a Mal or GSD, around the size and overall shape of the Doberman. And a GSD and a Mal both require tons of brushing and grooming, plus there's all that hair. The Doberman and the Giant Schnauzer both can have fairly low maintenance coats, and the Giant tolerates heat or cold extremely exceptionally well.
And hey, I can't expect people who think paying $300.00 for a dog is rough, to then pony up the bucks to own a Giant, much less an imported dog from a good solid working kennel in Europe. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> Those guys want the dog to be a machine, and they admitted their dogs don't live inside their homes, they live in kennels away from their families. Okay but. Few Dobes I've known would be happy that way, nor would a Riesenschnauzer or Rottie. They do best with a close bond with the family.
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Re: Doberman vs GSD
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#113738 - 09/14/2006 12:17 PM |
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No liking the cats, sadly.
GS look like @$$?? Why the...okay, I don't get too much into comparing looks, because they're a matter of personal preference. I don't see the allure of any Malinois, just too skinny and coyote looking. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I think the GSD is a nice looking dog when not walking on it's hocks. Saw a gorgeous black one last month in Annapolis MD of all places. Not walking on his hocks. But a Giant is a gorgeous dog - judging by the people who stop to tell me 'that's the most beautiful dog I've ever seen' and similar comments. Sadly, no one ever said that about my Rottweilers. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
On topic - if I had to pick between a GSD and a Doberman, I'd work very hard to find a healthy working lines Dobe. I love their faces, and enjoy the stubby tail too. Fur not too cuddly but better than constant vacuuming. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Doberman vs GSD - "Gameness"?
[Re: Hayley Lindqvist ]
#113739 - 09/14/2006 01:31 PM |
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OK, maybe I was wrong about the origin of the quote. But I do believe that's what the term was orginally used to describe. Then again, I could be wrong.
And I TOTALLY disagree with you about the lack of what you call "gameness" in GSD's, Dobermans and Rotties.
And working GSD's do NOT walk on their hocks, as you would know if you had been around them.
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[Re: Ed Frawley ]
#113740 - 09/14/2006 01:52 PM |
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Mr. Frawley, I agree. 23 years in the military, begging for dogs as we were, few Dobes were purchased. Even fewer made it through any course. In the past 19 years I've been in civilian law enforcement, a Dobe is a very rare thing. Are there Dobes working, yes, but the number is so few and it's not just because the Mal has made such inroads into the law enforcment arena.
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[Re: Jan Williamson ]
#113741 - 09/14/2006 01:55 PM |
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I admit a bias toward Dobes. I wouldn't own one as a pet. I'd be hard pressed to put one to work.
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[Re: David C.Frost ]
#113742 - 09/14/2006 02:15 PM |
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I wouldn't own one as a pet.
Any particular reason? I'm just curious.
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[Re: Jan Williamson ]
#113743 - 09/14/2006 04:35 PM |
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I don't like them. I don't like their looks, I don't think they are of sound nerve or body. I think they tend to be more defensive. I'm not saying there aren't some good ones, I'm sure there are in every breed. I admitted a personal bias. I don't like them.
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#113744 - 09/14/2006 04:49 PM |
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#113745 - 09/14/2006 05:16 PM |
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It wouldn't load for me. I'll assume it was a video of a very good Dobie working. If so, that's great. It still wouldn't change my mind. I guess it's why some drive Fords, others drive Chevy's.
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