Steve Keyishian wrote 10/24/2006 04:47 PM Re: Ear Cropping [Re: Simon Mellick ] #115636 - 10/24/2006 04:47 PM
Steve Keyishian Webboard User Reg: 07-16-2006 Posts: 173 Loc: Offline	Quote: Some people flood the board with posts for the sake of posting, and I agree that that gets annoying. But it doesn't seem that that was Roger's intentions, rather a genuine concern for the dogs. Someone that was concidering cropping asked; "is it worth it?" To someone making that decision, Roger's posts have merit. I can understand why he'd get passionate about this subject, it's difficult to say, 'hey, to each his own', when in his opinion it amounts to mutilation. I don't think he was looking "to get a rise out of people", if he'd wanted to do that he would have resorted to sarcasm... I am not going to debate with you in this thread, hopefully it can be used for helpful info. instead I will shoot you over a PM. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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Simon Mellick wrote 10/24/2006 04:48 PM Re: Ear Cropping [Re: Steve Keyishian ] #115637 - 10/24/2006 04:48 PM
Simon Mellick Webboard User Reg: 09-22-2004 Posts: 107 Loc: Ontario, Canada Offline	lol, i just did that. check your inbox <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
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Candi Campbell wrote 10/24/2006 04:52 PM Re: Ear Cropping [Re: Simon Mellick ] #115638 - 10/24/2006 04:52 PM
Candi Campbell Webboard User Reg: 02-06-2006 Posts: 696 Loc: San Francisco, CA Offline	Thank you, Simon -- People can get very heated on both sides of this issue... Roger is a good guy, NOT a trouble-maker, and he didn't deserve to get jumped & ridiculed for his sentiments, IMHO How anyone can live without a dog is beyond me...
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/24/2006 05:04 PM Re: Ear Cropping [Re: Candi Campbell ] #115639 - 10/24/2006 05:04 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Thank you, Simon -- People can get very heated on both sides of this issue... Roger is a good guy, NOT a trouble-maker, and he didn't deserve to get jumped & ridiculed for his sentiments, IMHO Can I add that, all question about surgery aside, Roger does indeed contribute a lot to this board and does *not* make it a habit to troll for trouble. I saw his posts as triggered by concern for dogs and not a desire to rile anyone. JMO.
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Steve Keyishian wrote 10/24/2006 05:12 PM Re: Ear Cropping [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #115640 - 10/24/2006 05:12 PM
Steve Keyishian Webboard User Reg: 07-16-2006 Posts: 173 Loc: Offline	Nothing yet, are you sure you sent it to me, did you get mine? Candi, Maybe I dont see it but how did he get jumped? No one called him out on saying we harm our dogs and it is abuse twice? But we are the ones that jumped on him? I guess there are alot of things I will never understand.
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Roger Blowers wrote 10/24/2006 05:24 PM Re: Ear Cropping [Re: Steve Keyishian ] #115641 - 10/24/2006 05:24 PM
Roger Blowers Webboard User Reg: 05-30-2005 Posts: 115 Loc: Costa Blanca, Spain Offline	Sorry to cause all this kerfuffle, folks, but all I intended to do was to post a different, strongly-held, POV. Then I just felt it necessary to answer the responses, which I thought never really addressed my main question. Please feel free to return to the 'how to' and ignore my 'why?' <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Roger
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Steve Keyishian wrote 10/24/2006 06:49 PM Re: Ear Cropping [Re: Roger Blowers ] #115642 - 10/24/2006 06:49 PM
Steve Keyishian Webboard User Reg: 07-16-2006 Posts: 173 Loc: Offline	Quote: Sorry to cause all this kerfuffle, folks, but all I intended to do was to post a different, strongly-held, POV. Then I just felt it necessary to answer the responses, which I thought never really addressed my main question. Please feel free to return to the 'how to' and ignore my 'why?' <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> My fault, I missed your original question. I cant ans. for everyone but it is C.C. breed standard. And if you plan on doing any shows it honestly helps to get titles. It also helps with ear maintenence(sp)
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Kristel Smart wrote 10/25/2006 08:34 AM Re: Ear Cropping [Re: Roger Blowers ] #115643 - 10/25/2006 08:34 AM
Kristel Smart Webboard User Reg: 10-03-2006 Posts: 1548 Loc: Vermont Offline	It's a hot-button topic for sure. I respect your opinion and used to share it at one time. It's a topic I'm defensive about because I'm a Dobe person and they are a cropped breed. My feeling is, if you like the look of a coon-hound, get a coonhound. I also live in the midst of "Halti-ville" where prong collars are also considered cruel (I took a class for fun/to proof my training and wasn't allowed to use my prong because it might upset the other participants), and Shutzhund is thought of as a violent sport that is mean to the animals. I'm used to having to defend my position. I also do a lot with Greyhound rescue. I've seen what abuse REALLY looks like and I can't put my Dobe into the same category just for having a procedure done that was barely a blip on his radar. Though I do appreciate your apparent concern for animals.
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Candi Campbell wrote 10/25/2006 11:22 AM Re: Ear Cropping [Re: Kristel Smart ] #115644 - 10/25/2006 11:22 AM
Candi Campbell Webboard User Reg: 02-06-2006 Posts: 696 Loc: San Francisco, CA Offline	Well, I also love black & tan Coonhounds <:-) but they look nothing at all like Dobermans (and they sure don't ACT like them either!) -- So, a much better solution is to do what we did & adopt a rescue Dobie that has all its natural equipment left intact (then you have the best of both worlds!) IMHO How anyone can live without a dog is beyond me...
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Kristel Smart wrote 10/25/2006 02:13 PM Re: Ear Cropping [Re: Candi Campbell ] #115645 - 10/25/2006 02:13 PM
Kristel Smart Webboard User Reg: 10-03-2006 Posts: 1548 Loc: Vermont Offline	I think that's a perfect solution <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> You can have the dog you want, and give a deserving animal a loving home. <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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