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[Re: michael hubert ]
#203599 - 07/31/2008 03:02 PM |
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and to date since dec. 07 i have taken more that 30 shelter dogs including dogs rescued from katrina and turned them around, you dont just turn the dog you turn the owners.
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Re: rescue vs. breeder
[Re: michael hubert ]
#203607 - 07/31/2008 03:13 PM |
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wow. that's really. REALLY great. But what happened to the dogs?
And how many were extreme cases?
I have some really great friends from the hurricane Katrina effort. Who did you work under? And which dogs did you take in?
Kinda hard to work with owners who can't be found...
I was actually asking about EXTREME cases though.
And as for the dogs you supposedly turned around, well, with a "easy" case, it's a bit different than working with an extreme case. Turning around a dog is great, and if you actually have done that, well I'll recognize that. But I'd like to know which shelters, and which manager you got the rescues from Katrina from.
Turning around a soft, easy dog is no where near the same as what you claim with dealing with aggression, so I'd like to know SPECIFICALLY what you actually have dealt with. You keep giving the generic answers without answering the actual question. Usually that means the person is full of sh*t
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Re: rescue vs. breeder
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#203613 - 07/31/2008 03:18 PM |
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Cameron: Michael Hubert said "since Dec 2007". Katrina happened in 2005. So the Katrina dogs he's worked with would have already been adopted or integrated into new homes, not directly from the shelters in NOLA or Texas.
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[Re: Cameron Feathers ]
#203616 - 07/31/2008 03:19 PM |
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they were clients of mine, i dont know who they got them from ,the katrina dogs were shipped up here to shelters then adopted out, there were pitbulls, labs, some mixed breeds. i didnt say i took in dogs. people adopted the dogs and came to me for training, some keep in touch some dont.
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[Re: Cameron Feathers ]
#203630 - 07/31/2008 03:32 PM |
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Hey Eric, I think when you get a dog from a rescue organization the dog has been screened by qualified people so you are aware of any problems the dog may come with and have made the decision to work with them, making them less of a problem or a dog that really has no issues, thats why they placed them with you.
*sigh I wish this were true. I really do. Ideally, with a well run organization, it hopefully is. And if it's true where you are, Steve, that is so awesome.
The states I have worked in rehab, it hasn't been. In fact, the state that I live in now employs minimum wage high school dropouts as "evaluators"
They torment the dogs with a stuffed "hand" to see if they are going to bite a person. They use a stuffed "child" to see if the dog will show aggression towards children. They grab a rescued cat from the back room and bring it into the kennels to see if the dog will chase after it.
They just euthanized over 80 puppies and young dogs last month because they did not pass their tests, and they decided to "clean house" entirely and start over.
I hope that more facilities become what you described, but until that happens, I believe we have to approach shelters and rescues the same way we do trainers: cautiously, and with the advice of someone we KNOW knows what they are talking about.
Actually, I don't have a problem per se with the idea of a high school dropout being a dog evaluator on a pound.
Not because of some reverse snobbery but because I don't see the ability to evaluate a dog as being something which can be learned in school.
At the same time, those "evaluation" methods you describe sound eminently crappy. My dog Redhead, who has never shown the slightest aggression to a human in his furry life, would get the blue needle because he'd think the stuffed hand was obviously a toy, and also because he is an APBT.
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Re: rescue vs. breeder
[Re: michael hubert ]
#203634 - 07/31/2008 03:36 PM |
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and to date since dec. 07 i have taken more that 30 shelter dogs including dogs rescued from katrina and turned them around, you dont just turn the dog you turn the owners. they were clients of mine, i dont know who they got them from ,the katrina dogs were shipped up here to shelters then adopted out, there were pitbulls, labs, some mixed breeds. i didnt say i took in dogs. people adopted the dogs and came to me for training, some keep in touch some dont.
Claiming you have helped train and turn around Katrina dogs 2 years after it happened is exactly what I was pointing out. It's a bit misleading to say it the way it was said. And, for the record, you DID say that you "took in" the dogs.
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[Re: Kevin Mason ]
#203638 - 07/31/2008 03:41 PM |
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im sure the dog was screened, but not trained,they adopted the dog and wanted it trained thats what i did i trained the dog with the clients, i dont understand what you think. do you know the diffrence betwwen a trained and untrained dog?? i dont understand where you are going with this
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[Re: michael hubert ]
#203645 - 07/31/2008 03:47 PM |
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Umm... the dog was someone's pet prior to the hurricane.
It had prior training.
I'm not sure why people get so hung up on the Katrina dog thing.
90% dogs in Katrina experienced no behavioral changes as a result of the disaster.
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#203646 - 07/31/2008 03:49 PM |
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what makes you think the dog had pior training????
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[Re: michael hubert ]
#203647 - 07/31/2008 03:50 PM |
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