 Re: Stepping over dog?
[Re: Scott Garrett ]
#235393 - 04/08/2009 11:33 AM |
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Ok, first. How many times do I have to say that I am not concerned about dominance issues with my dog? I'm asking a question about pack and alpha behavior so I can see if this method is outdated.
Thats the problem.
The question assumes that there are absolutes in dogs.
There are very few. This matter isn't one of them.
For some dogs, it is a very outdated and inappropriate approach.
For others, it is necessary and critical to the dog's ability to remain a member of the pack.
Very rarely is there only one answer to a question, when the subject is dogs.
Almost never is the answer a simple, yes or no.
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Re: Stepping over dog?
[Re: Scott Garrett ]
#235398 - 04/08/2009 11:52 AM |
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I am not concerned about dominance issues with my dog? I'm asking a question about pack and alpha behavior so I can see if this method is outdated.
Then the answers are all embedded here:
... If dominance was an issue with a specific dog, yes, I would probably make them get out of the way. ... If I had dominance issues with a particular dog, I'd be focused on that kind of question (and many others), clarifying throughout every day who's in charge.
Otherwise, I'm with Scott on filing it away in the same circular file with the daily-alpha-roll-for-GP stuff.  ... ... It depends on you & the dog your talking about. .... Dog giving you problems and you are trying to establish you are pack leader, then yes, most of us would make the dog move.
The alpha would probably walk over or around if it wasn't inconvenient to him/her and if the subordinate in the way was never a challenge to top position in any manner.
There really IS no hard-and-fast answer.
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Re: Stepping over dog?
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#235435 - 04/08/2009 01:25 PM |
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The alpha would probably walk over or around if it wasn't inconvenient to him/her and if the subordinate in the way was never a challenge to top position in any manner.
There really IS no hard-and-fast answer.
Once again, thank you, Connie. You're the only person to answer the question I asked without insulting my intelligence or inferring a none existent training problem (ie: first it was my dog bolting out from underneath me and then it was my dog having dominance issues). Not one person in this topic bothered to ask if I was having an issue. Nope, most everyone just made highly incorrect assumptions about my dogs and myself. Not something I appreciate.
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Re: Stepping over dog?
[Re: Scott Garrett ]
#235438 - 04/08/2009 01:30 PM |
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... You're the only person to answer the question I asked without insulting my intelligence or inferring a none existent training problem ...
Well, I think that all of the three answers I copied and pasted above were essentially the same answer.
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[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#235440 - 04/08/2009 01:37 PM |
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I think the original poster was asking about natural wolf pack behavior. Since most of us are not wolf experts, we responded with our own pack behavior patterns, and she got frustrated.
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Re: Stepping over dog?
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#235445 - 04/08/2009 01:40 PM |
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scott,
if you post using your dog as the example:
which you did:
I'm wondering if the grumping is just his social-climber temperament or if I've been an unfair alpha out of misinformation?
you are going to get answers that will assume you are having problems with him.
If you had posted your question without using the dog as an example, the answers probably would've been what you were looking for.
And more than one poster gave you the same information Connie just did. Worded differently but overall meaning the same thing.
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Re: Stepping over dog?
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#235446 - 04/08/2009 01:47 PM |
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I think the original poster was asking about natural wolf pack behavior.
I'd guess that The alpha would probably walk over or around if it wasn't inconvenient to him/her and if the subordinate in the way was never a challenge to top position in any manner
might apply to both.
Strictly a guess, though, because my wolf research is limited and mostly nutrition-oriented.
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Re: Stepping over dog?
[Re: Scott Garrett ]
#235453 - 04/08/2009 01:59 PM |
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Scott, I'm curious. Where did I insult your intelligence ?
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Re: Stepping over dog?
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#235455 - 04/08/2009 02:02 PM |
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Well, I think that all of the three answers I copied and pasted above were essentially the same answer.
I considered the other two to be the ones who understood the question, but offered training advice for a non-existent problem and if I'm not mistaken (don't care to read back through the topic) at least one of them resorted to BS trash talk.
I think the original poster was asking about natural wolf pack behavior. Since most of us are not wolf experts, we responded with our own pack behavior patterns, and she got frustrated.
* He. 
And yes, that was what I was asking. Either that or dog pack. Watching the video at Leerburg.com/308.htm is what made me start thinking about it. Obviously the owner of this site seems to think pack behavior is important. I also did get frustrated, at a few different things. I'm fine with people sharing their personal stories about their packs, I do it all the time. What I didn't appreciate, and I was quite up front about it, were the assumptions about training issues, the trash talk, and flat out insulting my intelligence. I'm just trying to learn here and these kinds of answers are 100% counter-productive to learning.
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Please PM me if you want to discuss this further, this topic is more than long enough.
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Re: Stepping over dog?
[Re: Scott Garrett ]
#235457 - 04/08/2009 02:04 PM |
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You know, I have to say Scott, you are probably the first person I've seen come on *this* forum and manage to develop the impression that people here are insulting or rude.
Then again, you seem to have a talent for pushing other people's buttons.
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