Quote: Brianah Maloney

Thats for between me, the vets, and my dog.
When shes done, i WILL lay her to rest, our of respect. But again, between me, the vets, and most importantly the dog.

As it should be.

 Quote: Betty Waldron

He also gave me the reason but since it was a while ago and I don't want to misquote him I'm going to keep it to myself. LOL

Qualify "a while ago" ..... was it yesterday? Because that is what "a while" is looking like in these parts.

 Quote: Betty Waldron

Personally? My senior dogs kind of get a pass on a lot of things...............

TWO THUMBS UP!

I wanted to know if she could even FEEL any of the collar, out of curiosity... she wasnt reacting to vibration. She reacted to stim.

Never did she show any PAIN. Simply just,
".. hmm? whos touching me.. i thought somebody.. oh nothing..huh.."
Im telling you, and 4 other dog people who where PRESENT, would tell you....shes not AVOIDING the vibration. -.-
The vibration us EXTREMELY weak. I could tie my CELL to the dog and have more of a vibration.

I have 4 other "dog people" who SAW the entire thing. And she was NON aware of stim. Including the owner of the collar.

This is really becoming a huge issue that it doesn't need to be. I may not report any progress if im getting replies that imply my "poor dog" isnt being cared for properly, abused by ecollar, showing stress, and being overworked...

I do not need approval from online with THIS subject. Nobody online can see my dog. I have MANY serious "dog people" who SEE how my dog is thriving under my care. People that have titled happy dogs, of all ages. People i respect and admire in REAL life. I understand when people are online, one thing may seem like another, and because we cant physically see a dog, or a dogs reaction, its tough. But again, MY senior dog is not any of the dogs anybody else has owned. MY dog is MY dog, and SHE makes the rules. I live by HER, and what SHE requires is fulfilled.
I do not fret teaching her anything new, she craves it, requires it. And shes thriving.

Im sorry you want me to throw dog in crate, with cookies.
Its not happening, if only you all could see her in REAL life.
She is HER and SHE cant handle that lifestyle right now. Nor do i ever think she will be able to. Nor would i ever force any lifestyle on her that would make her miserable, just because some online people say shes old by number.
Again, this is all MY dog, telling ME what do to.

 Quote: Duane Hull

PLEASE, if you're going to use it, learn how to use it properly.

I was simply curious if the thing could be felt or worked with at ALL.. i will never ever ever ever be truly using collar for stim for this. I will never be truly training with it, it will be left for http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urxryvYRPzw
but down instead.

I MAY have another collar to use, but its feature is SOUND. No vibration..
Anyways, i will let yall know how it went when my dog downs or whatever to sound or vibration.
Thanks!

 Quote: Cathy Goessman

I have a mini einstein and the vibration is quite strong. My dog works at a 7 for the electric stim and the vibration is way too strong for him. Due to the design of the remote it turns in my hands and I can tell immediately if I hit the vibe button by mistake. I've debated desensitizing him to it.

Keeping this post. thanks

 Quote: Brianah Maloney

I do not need approval from online with THIS subject.

Or any other. Take what you can from the board and if somebody has a differing viewpoint don't let it get your feathers too ruffled. Think about what they're saying and whether it's valid for your situation or not and if it isn't just let it be. No, they can't see your dog.

The process I took one of my shy dogs through could easily have backfired and ended in a bite with the wrong dog. If I posted it as a recommendation board members would be very quick to tell me it's a bad idea and suggest alternatives. I wouldn't just keep posting that "well for MY dog it works". I would just take their suggestions and move on. Flooding is a lot like e-collars. It can work wonders or be a complete disaster.

Generally, people experimenting with an e-collar can get in trouble very quickly. So the board is always careful to tell someone to stop pushing buttons until a system is in place to insure that the dog doesn't gain bad associations with the stim. Those first associations can remain superstitions with the dog for a long time.

I've never used an e-collar in almost 60 yrs of dog training.
It's also one of, if not the easiest dog training tools to abuse.

In the right hands its great. Not in the right hands and the Marquis de Sade comes to mind, intentionally or otherwise.

 Quote: Brianah Maloney

Old dog, lay down.

You know, dog spins in circles when you take a 2 day vacation from training.

I cant sleep.

Duane: Why can't you sleep?

 Quote: Brianah Maloney

Because some pain in the rump yellow man decided he wants nothing to do with sleep, and would rather have his kong and play, right now.

Is this "pain in the rump yellow man" the same dog that you want to teach the down too?

Tried to follow the original thought thru the thread but couldn't quite understand why someone would want to teach an active dog only one command. The "down" command at that. All that money just to keep a dog down.

And I know you're passed this, thinking of a better use, like getting her to look at you but I still can't help but think that you really want her to "down". Novelty or not.

You borrowed an e-collar, threw it on her and she didn't react to 14 or something so you started stimming her.

Are you familiar with how tight the right tightness is? And a dog actually needs a few days of just wearing the collar at the right tightness before you start to figure out what her sensitivity level is.

It's a good process. The dog gets used to the two nodes somewhat poking the side of it's neck, snuggly. Increasing the length of time they wear it. After a few days, (a week or two is actually recommended) there's a quick vibration coming from it. I've never had a dog not respond.

But back to what sounds more like the issue, to me. And it seems that Cheri and Connie touched on it to.

We've had nights where the dogs are active. Take a drink of water and wake you up with a "mouth full of water" kiss. Pretend your toes are a long lost toy that they can't wait to get out of the covers. Usually a night where things are stirring around outside or they just want a little more attention. Sometimes they have to pee or they're just plain restless.

I'd of probably taken that kong and stuffed it with peanut butter. However, if it's a common occurrence, they need to learn that night time is "down" time. And you had the answer to your own dilemma there.

 Quote: Brianah Maloney

I did eventually sleep. Ignored the fuss.

If you're set on training this older, active dog with an e-collar, just as a novelty, why not do it properly? I have the both Einsteins and Dogtras. Both are great but the vibrate on the Einsteins far outweighs the older Dogtra's. My dogs are pretty sensitive to anything coming out of my mouth and the vibrate. First time out with the Einsteins, they acted like they'd been stimmed with the vibrate so they're turned right down to 5.

However, it sounds like you have a better option, the Flyball Box. Tired dogs easily learn that night time is "down" time.

Sorry, might have missed the mark here, so take it for what it's worth.

 Quote: Brianah Maloney

I wanted to know if she could even FEEL any of the collar, out of curiosity... she wasnt reacting to vibration. She reacted to stim.

Never did she show any PAIN. Simply just,
".. hmm? whos touching me.. i thought somebody.. oh nothing..huh.."
Im telling you, and 4 other dog people who where PRESENT, would tell you....shes not AVOIDING the vibration. -.-
The vibration us EXTREMELY weak. I could tie my CELL to the dog and have more of a vibration.

I have 4 other "dog people" who SAW the entire thing. And she was NON aware of stim. Including the owner of the collar.

Perhaps these 4 qualified dog people who were present could of answered your question if she could feel it and why she may not of been exhibiting signs of "PAIN" And while they do that you may want to have them explain what the terms stress and avoidance mean in dog training.

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Im sorry you want me to throw dog in crate, with cookies.

This is just so darn silly. It shows that you have absolutely no understanding of the experience or the training philosophy of the people that responded to your posts and tried to be helpful.