Melissa Hoyer wrote 10/27/2013 05:32 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Natalie Rynda ] #385321 - 10/27/2013 05:32 PM
Melissa Hoyer Webboard User Reg: 05-09-2005 Posts: 1340 Loc: SE Michigan Offline	Quote: Natalie Rynda ETA i also don't think we have to learn how to project anything to our dog. it's all about setting rules and training the dogs. You're wrong. This is why a dog can be sent out for training, become a well-trained dog, return to their home and still be a hellion. The dog can know the rules and be trained, but if the owner doesn't change and become a leader, nothing has been accomplished.
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Tracy Collins wrote 10/27/2013 05:47 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #385322 - 10/27/2013 05:47 PM
Tracy Collins Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2008 Posts: 1917 Loc: St. Louis, Missouri Offline	Think anything you like. The proof is in the dog. ETA "today i just felt like bringing it up, i like a good discussion. i see now that this is not the place for it. all my threads become personal attacks at some point." I think you enjoy being willfully provocative. And forum etiquette is a skill that comes with experience, just like dog training. What sort of response do you think you will get when someone with zero experience or skill takes such an argumentative stance over and over and over? Why should any of us give your opinion any consideration? Cinco | Jack | Fanny | Ellie | Chip | Deacon
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/27/2013 05:50 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #385324 - 10/27/2013 05:50 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	"A good discussion" for me doesn't usually include "I disagree with a major core part of this person's training protocol, despite his huge experience and success in this field." "I disagree" .... if it was replaced with "I don't understand," then it's likely that fewer buttons would be pushed.
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/27/2013 06:03 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Tracy Collins ] #385329 - 10/27/2013 06:03 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: Tracy Collins Think anything you like. The proof is in the dog. ETA "today i just felt like bringing it up, i like a good discussion. i see now that this is not the place for it. all my threads become personal attacks at some point." I think you enjoy being willfully provocative. And forum etiquette is a skill that comes with experience, just like dog training. What sort of response do you think you will get when someone with zero experience or skill takes such an argumentative stance over and over and over? Why should any of us give your opinion any consideration? you shouldn't. just don't be offensive, don't tell me what i'm fixated on.
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Natalie Rynda wrote 10/27/2013 06:07 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #385331 - 10/27/2013 06:07 PM
Natalie Rynda Webboard User Reg: 10-01-2013 Posts: 343 Loc: nyc Offline	Quote: Connie Sutherland "A good discussion" for me doesn't usually include "I disagree with a major core part of this person's training protocol, despite his huge experience and success in this field." "I disagree" .... if it was replaced with "I don't understand," then it's likely that fewer buttons would be pushed. but i do disagree. he has tons of success and experience, i'm the first one to say it. i know his articles by heart and follow much of his advice. so that means i can't disagree on any piece of it? you say it's a big piece but once again, i only disagreed on the "projecting" part, not the entire setting rules and boundaries. so yeah, i can still follow his advice without that small (IMO) piece.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/27/2013 06:22 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #385332 - 10/27/2013 06:22 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	OK, great.
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Mara Jessup wrote 10/27/2013 06:18 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #385333 - 10/27/2013 06:18 PM
Mara Jessup Webboard User Reg: 12-28-2005 Posts: 2316 Loc: Offline	Leadership with dogs - I can walk into a room and take all the high value stuff and they don't question or protest. A scary thunderstorm pops up and they come to me for a solution. I can take over the leash of a bouncy hyper dog and get them to settle - without commands or rewards. I make them comfortable in my pressence by reading and correctly responding to their body language and sending clear language of my own. I can handle them at the vets office and they don't protest. K-9 Knitter
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Mara Jessup wrote 10/27/2013 06:23 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #385334 - 10/27/2013 06:23 PM
Mara Jessup Webboard User Reg: 12-28-2005 Posts: 2316 Loc: Offline	And please note - I am NOT recommending you go start taking things away from your dog to test your leadership skills. I'm just saying that because I'm a leader in their eyes I've earned the right to do so. And I never exercise that right arbitrarily, only as needed and in a fair manner. K-9 Knitter
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Tracy Collins wrote 10/27/2013 06:31 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #385335 - 10/27/2013 06:31 PM
Tracy Collins Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2008 Posts: 1917 Loc: St. Louis, Missouri Offline	Natalie, go ahead. Try to train your dog or set boundaries without projecting leadership. You may have great success. If so, let us know about it. We're trying to give you advice on ways that we have already tried and found successful. Take the advice for what you paid for it. You did ask for advice, right? All of us pick and choose from among the advice we get from each other, incorporating what works and disregarding the rest. Most folks, however do the disregarding with a modicum of grace. Cinco | Jack | Fanny | Ellie | Chip | Deacon
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Tresa Hendrix wrote 10/27/2013 06:32 PM Re: If the dog chose .... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #385336 - 10/27/2013 06:32 PM
Tresa Hendrix Webboard User Reg: 05-08-2008 Posts: 1473 Loc: Alaska Offline	You CAN learn to lead an animal. To lead an animal, you have to learn how they think and how to reinforce the pack rules. The only thing else you need is confidence and that comes with experience, regardless of your temperament. It just takes some longer than others, some people are natural leaders, some are not. But even a timid person can learn how to train a difficult dog...just like a shy timid dog can be taught to perform in agility....I had one, she did great. A tired dog is a good dog, a trained dog is a better dog.
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