i would like to tell u first that ,u r absolutely wrong about her willing to work,she isnt doin these jst bcuz she has to do it ,she does it with full of her soul ,no matter its swimming or playing she is always ready to perform or play by heart , few things i would apreciate what u have stated here like the technicals faults of training but its absolutely wrong that she does this jst bcoz she has to, she enjoys when she plays with me or she swims ,btw its been few days since i have started rectifying few of my way to rectify myself and she seems to be so comfortable with me ,she is not doin any growls or nothing ,rather right now she is laying down under my chair while i am writing this to u.. she is ok..i know her it hapns only when i used to give this correction to her which i have stopped permanently.. thank u all to give me so many valuable advices,although few of them i really dont agree with but its true i have received some vluable advice too...

it's ok to disagree asit . . . we offer advice on what we see and from what you tell us .

it is your dog and it is up to you to consider all that is offered , take what works , discard the rest , but keep an open mind to try things you might not have thought of .

thanx ian, yeah i will do so and there will be no more mistakes... thanx to all of u,i will keep updating her on here and wil leave more video links whn i will shoot again.. stay blesses..

asit , it's ok to make mistakes . . . just hopefully not the same ones over and over again .

the main thing is to learn from them , otherwise they served no purpose .

I think that it is worthwhile to reiterate that the dog was not a natural swimmer prior to learning that retrieve. The dog has some natural superstition about water, and has overcome it through some diligent marker training. I did see the slightest bit of hesitation at the beginning of the water scene, but I also saw the dog put his fear aside and comply. I think it is a commendable effort, as was the other work I saw in the videos. However, Asit, if you watch any videos of a dog who loves water, you will see that many dogs are more enthusiastic than yours when it comes to retrieving in water.

My dog has yet to overcome her dislike of water and swimming. Even if I were to train her to overcome her fear and retrieve in water, I would never expect to see the same enthusiasm that I see in other dogs.

Asit, as you become more experienced and better at training and handling your dog, you will see the flaws in these videos. That is not to say that you are not doing a great job. To get a young dog as far as you have with the limited experience that you have is a true accomplishment, and you are on the path to bigger and better things.

As far as addressing your initial concern, your dog is learning and going through phases. based on what I saw, you can continue training, but as I said last week, you need to back off on corrections and concentrate on rewardable behaviors and rebuilding the bond. Keep the dog to yourself until the bond is rebuilt and you train to the point where you can trust the dog.

ETA: If the dog only growls when you correct him, that may be some indication of some slight handler dominance/aggression. You say it has stopped since you quit correcting. If it is truly HA, it may manifest itself later in some other form. Don't react based on my opinion of what you describe, but stay alert to that.

ETA: There is a difference between a dog that is willing to work and a dog with a good work ethic, or one who loves to work. My dog loves to train, but she tires of real work very quickly.

Edited by Duane Hull (07/17/2014 03:49 PM)
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"i also have seen she is vry panic abt me " ... "She has become fearful of me." ... "panic aggresion towards me" ... "She sees me and panics." ... " i m noticing she s so frightened abt me nd these days she dsnt feel comfortable with me"


This has nothing in common with dominance-aggression (to me, anyway).

But who knows for sure that those are accurate perceptions. I would urge you, Asit, to post back right away with any misgivings, any tiny signs of what you see as HA (or anything like it). That is, be sure not to let it get like into a situation like the quotes above in this post.

Hey Asit, nice videos.

Just some observations - She's a bit sluggish following a command which seems to cause frustration in you and you repeat the command at least once. Down, Down, Sit, Sit, Stay, Stay, Stay, Stay. And you're giving her a lot of body language in with all those repeated commands.

In the "Get the Key" video there were only 2 or 3 actual searches or retrieves but you said "Get the Key" 29 times along with 6 or 7 "Search, Search, Searches". All that may be adding a bit to her confusion.

The second video, the commands are better but as Bob says, she really looks like she's doing it just because she has to.

You seem very energetic and active, doing almost as much work as she is. And that's not a bad thing but you might want to try one type of command over the other. Either hand signals/body language or voice.

Stand still, give her a (one) "Sit" command and wait till she complies. Don't repeat it. When her butt hits the ground, then release her with the "Yes", treat, treat, treat. That's your time to be a goofy dispensing machine.

When you have her "sit"ing and "down"ing as quick as you say the command (once) and you know, 100 percent, that she knows what you're asking (meaning she's complied immediately at least 30 times), then...a blow off can then be met with a "No" or a withholding of the marker.

When she's distracted, don't give her the collar correction immediately. This is another great time to make you more exciting than the distraction. Get her attention, actively and in a fun way, don't "force" her to pay attention. You want her to want to work for you, not be tugged by the leash, when she finds something more interesting.

Work on distractions slowly.

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asit , it's ok to make mistakes . . . just hopefully not the same ones over and over again .

the main thing is to learn from them , otherwise they served no purpose .

Love this, so true. You guys look great together.

You can turn this around. Tone down your aggression/frustration and she'll follow right along, toning down her confused, defensive responses.

thanx duane for ur nice statement, itss true she was a lil prblm while getting into the water in starting but blv me now she is crazy about to go into the water,everyday i take her out twice morning before goin to work and evening after coming back at home from work,she get to be offlish each time ,whenever i reach to that open place where this pond is situated with a open field too jst beside of this pond ,i offleashe her and she runs and plays a lot like a crazy ,i dnt interfere here .whn she sees any other stray dogs ,she tries to go to sniff them but whn i say 'no' she refuses and comes to me..and the most funny part is whenever she goes to that place she gets crazy to get into the water ,she goes near the edge of the water ,looks at me or run and comes to me and tries lead me towards the water.lol...she dsnt get down to the pond untill i say 'yes'buddy u can go to the water and she jumps in it.. ha ha ha ha ..and she s really fine now inside of home too ,m nt correcting her, jst giving her space ,spending sm playtime with her and she is staying with me most of the time till m being in home..

sure connie, will keep informing you all..but she s pretty good now,i will try to shoot few more videos of her while in home to make u undrstnd this matter better...

thank u so much cj ,yeah u r right abt the repeating the commands like sit and down,, but i would like to tell u about the stay command why i used so many times stay command, when i was started to teach her this command ,i was recently finished seeing the leerburg dvd basic dog obedience where i saw ed frawly was repeating that command which he was giving treats to the dog in between of the dog's legs and he was keep saying stay ,stay ,stay like i did on that video,i have trained her in that way after watching tht video..but later i saw few more dvds of michel ellis where he adds 'good' command as duration of the excerise..these days i train dogs with that method and i really dnt use prongs ,its vry seldom when i use it and i use it not for correction i use it to teach leash pressure and to teach few more things but fully motivationally ,it dsnt need vry hard correction ,jst a lil tag..its been a year i have training dogs professionally, i have all my student's training videos on my face book account, i have trained biter dog too but that dog is leaving happily with the owner,m sure u will like my videos and if there any mistakes ,dnt stop urself to correct me and tell me how to do that in proper way ..this is my link https://www.facebook.com/asit.bhattacharya.1

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