Quote: Anne Jones

My male is a HA dog & did the same kind of behavior that John's dog is doing. I can tell you that if I had put an e-collar on him & steamed him when he was in that state of mind, & conning full at me, he would have severely hurt me.

It may work on some dogs...but can be a serious mistake when the dog figures out he doesn't have the e-collar on without other controls in place.

Just trying to keep it real here.

I don.t deny that it can be a good tool, But in this situation.....are you going to have the dog wear an e-collar all the time in order to keep the dog in check?

I guess I hope it works for the long run for his dog.

I have & use e-collars on my dogs. All 4 of the GSDs that I've had. But they are as a back up when off my property & in 10 yrs have only had 5 occasions to have to use it. Even at that it was a 1x low stem. 2 of my dogs have been hard dogs. My female is a very very hard driven girl.

JMO for whatever it's worth. I'm out.

THANK YOU for the Further Clarifications in detail above, Anne -- I consider your personal experience VERY VALUABLE with Handler-Aggressive dogs who "exact payback" (for want of a better phrase) from you for having Pulled Rank on them previously, when they LATER ON catch you in a situation without ANY Fail-Safe CONTROL over them ... I've owned Basenjis who (yes, actually) carried grudges & carried out Vendettas against roommates and neighbors over things done to them, whether appropriate or unwarranted (but never against me, I'm lucky to say).

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John,
I've never used an e-collar, so can't help you with that; but I did watch the video and he is one beautiful boy. What I got from the video, is that he really wants to interact with you. The play bowing and quick jumping movements are attempts to get you to play. I'm curious are his movements when he "attacks" similar? I know he's ripping your clothes but my guess is, if he was truly fighting you, the family jewels would be gone by now. (Ooh the horror!)
Also, looking at his play style, any chance he's interpreting your "Alpha" walk toward him as a response to his play initiating? Are you 100% sure you are reading him correctly? Could he be biting you to prolong the interaction with you in the yard?
I just think as an adult AmBull he probably has enough strength in his mouth to remove your arm with a bite. Compare that to ripped clothes.....not a whole lot behind that bite, not to mention the fact that he is shredding your clothes but you have not mentioned any broken skin or punctures on your skin from his teeth. I'd consider that some good bite inhibition.
I like Steve's suggestion of a leash.
Your pup knows "sit" he performed it well in his video. Have you tried taking him into the yard having him sit before he can turn and then throw a ball for him? I wouldn't worry about him dropping it when he comes back.....just have another ball in your hand and as soon as the first ball is dropped throw the second.
I would not leave this dog in the yard alone; it is only compounding your problems. The behaviors you describe come with the territory of a high drive dog's needs not being met. I know you want the e-collar to be a magic bullet but...... I think you need to work on your relationship and proceed from there. Look at the video again......he wants your attention not a run on the treadmill, though he looks happy on it. I wish you could get a video of his yard behavior....like I said he could be behaving like Kujo and if that is so, I'd suggest professional help... handler aggression is nothing to play around with.

Hahaha. That was one in depth review! This video is about a year old and wasn't meant to showcase anything. Off camera I was play bowing to him and he was doing it back to me. I would shuffle back, he'd follow. We were both just being idiots. Definitely not the behavior im worried about. Just having fun with my dog. Then I open the door to the basement and he just runs down there and jumps on the treadmill without me asking.

He's not really doing it anymore but I'll see if I can get some footage of him turning on me at the door. I'm not sure what's driving him but it's too intense.

 Quote: John Stowe

I'm not sure what's driving him but it's too intense.

Ever been around two Boxers playing hard? It sounds and sometimes looks like they're trying to kill each other. Pits and Staffies tend to love to body slam each other. Just the nature of the breed to love highly physical "in your face" type play. Frustration from pent-up energy or lack of meaningful interaction(from the dog's POV) can intensify it.

might have missed it but can you describe the precise sequence of how you exit a door with your dog, details matter.

I described that sequence. Look for the thread with numbers in it.
We just played a friendly game of ball in the living room. I almost broke my fireplace. This should fill you guys in to his drive level I think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5dD9gXVq6k&list=UUZjJRRZrfRo3tFecAxSPAFA

"Friendly game of ball in the living room" goes against trying to get this dog under control.

The dog needs to know that there are boundaries.

vid is on private??

are you doing an formal sport with this dog, any high any enrgy training, seems this dog is just looking for an outlet that you are not providing.

Glad I got on this one late...

John, my good man;

I was already thinking what Sheila said before I was halfway through this thread. Then Steve suggested the leash, and I realized that THAT fit right in with my line of thinking. THEN, you posted the video and a couple of things caught my eye.

First, you said you weren't looking for a full review of the video, but maybe you should rewatch it. It is very revealing and every second could help you.

When I first started reading your OP, I felt like the dog had a lot of energy, not just drive. Peter and Mike A. are right. A tired doggie is a good doggie. If that was my dog, I'd tie his butt to that treadmill, and I wouldn't take him off until he laid on his side.

As far as the backyard behavior, I was thinking OB with no release to run ahead, and then Steve suggested a leash and I can't agree more. I'll add to that one prong collar. But the real key is OB, NO RELEASE. Sits at door, waits while you open it, heels. Acts like an a$$, gets corrected and redirected.