Re: Managing a dominant dog...
[Re: Becky Niedbalka ]
#406937 - 10/04/2018 09:31 PM |
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Becky,
Sam, my real problem dog, wears a flat leather collar. It isn't tight but it won't easily slip over his head.
He came here with it, and I figured he was a poor candidate for a prong collar. I figured he would fight the prong regardless of the level of correction, and it wouldn't contribute to a bonding.
My personal assessment, and I'm willing to concede that another person might well have reached a different conclusion.
When I take him for a walk, or my wife does, Sam wears a good dog collar. Makes my bride feel more comfortable and in control should something make for a bad situation.
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Re: Managing a dominant dog...
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#406938 - 10/04/2018 09:44 PM |
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The while summer, he was free, but dragging a 6ft lead. He had run of the kitchen, and was sleeping in there at night, but didn't like it, he wanted to be crated. He would jump the barrier at the kitchen doorway and wander the house. So i bought the bed.
He is quick to react to reflections, shadows, hair rolling across the floor. I cut that out with the remote collar. Otherwise he would get stupid.
I think he just finds it hard to not be constantly aroused. Excited arousal for walks, as initial leash up for walks may take 20 min, if him whining, barking, or banging around. I may put my shoes on 10 times before he quiets enough for me. Usually I just toss him out on his tie out and let him race around while I get ready. But the arousal is what gets him out of control.
He is fine with cars approaching, but not when they pass. He is fine with people visiting, but not when they pass him or leave. I do not allow interaction between strangers. They don't wait til he is calm before touching him, and he will shove you, and bark at you if you stop petting. He tries that and clawing me when I pet him, but I just put him on place when he gets bossy.
But I may be doing it all wrong. Most likely am. I am old school, and try to reward the good calmly, and ignore the nonsense.
I am willingly to change my whole daily schedule to fix this. Open to anything.
The only thing I cannot do, is marker training with food outdoors. That will get us killed with the predators here.
Sad I can't even allow him to sniff on walks. Wolves and foxes here have tapeworm, distemper, rabies, and God knows what else. So walks are head up, sometimes slow, sometimes pounding gravel, and with him in a heel behind me knee.
I appreciate all of your time! I will strictly ignore his outbursts and just stand there wirh my chin up in the house, and do my 180s when a car passes.
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Re: Managing a dominant dog...
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#406939 - 10/04/2018 09:49 PM |
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This is just to the best of my recollection from your previous posts, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but a lot of his reactivity seems to be associated with the prong collar. If that's true, I would certainly be trying a flat collar.
As far as this:
He is not in the crate at all, unless I have to go to town. Until this tues, where he slept in it at night. He loves the crate. Instead I had him tethered, before tues, on a 6ft lead, on his Kuranda pet bed. We had tried loose in the kitchen, but he would pace at night.
Does this just refer to night? You mean he slept tethered to his bed until last Tuesday, and now he's sleeping in his crate? I'm still trying to get a picture of how he spends his time during the day. In the crate if you're not home, but when you are home, just going about your business, is he free in the house or still tethered to the bed?
I'm also still wondering if he's getting enough exercise........
Yes, he was on the bed til tues, he had a fit that day, so I moved the crate to the porch, so it would be porch, outside, rather than walk through 2 rooms and him flipping out, to get outside. This is only because I had to get a cast wed after they got my xray results tues.
I am in a big cast, but it's a walking one, as my arthritis and back makes it so I can't use crutches. Today he us back on the bed, as he was 80 percent behaved. He got plenty of goods and yes for that.
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Re: Managing a dominant dog...
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#406940 - 10/04/2018 09:55 PM |
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I think I will stick to the flat collar for now. I love the Leerburg leather one, it looks great, and is stiff enough that he knows it is there, a nylon one, he will yank to hell.
I liked the prong for walking, but since I am stuck home for at least 2 weeks with this foot, I can practice better manners for both of us with the flat collar.
You should see him dragging Jim across the house on any collar. He runs that show with Jim lol. He whines with Jim, but Jim let's him drag him around. I can't with my health issues.
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Re: Managing a dominant dog...
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#406941 - 10/04/2018 10:59 PM |
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Mike, your explanations are top shelf!
Sometimes I re read mine and I think "What the hell am I trying to say?"
You always put it in simple, understandable words.
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Re: Managing a dominant dog...
[Re: Becky Niedbalka ]
#406942 - 10/04/2018 11:06 PM |
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I think you are all top notch.
You always put the dog first, whereas as a dog owner, I can be selfish to say I want this, or that behaviour.
That's why I come here. Sometimes an owner needs to back up and with an open mind, change.
I need to make that change. As Dr.Phil always says, How is that working for you.
It ain't.
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Re: Managing a dominant dog...
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#406943 - 10/05/2018 07:47 AM |
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He is quick to react to reflections, shadows, hair rolling across the floor. I cut that out with the remote collar. Otherwise he would get stupid.
I think he just finds it hard to not be constantly aroused. Excited arousal for walks, as initial leash up for walks may take 20 min, if him whining, barking, or banging around. I may put my shoes on 10 times before he quiets enough for me. Usually I just toss him out on his tie out and let him race around while I get ready. But the arousal is what gets him out of control.
He is fine with cars approaching, but not when they pass. He is fine with people visiting, but not when they pass him or leave. I do not allow interaction between strangers. They don't wait til he is calm before touching him, and he will shove you, and bark at you if you stop petting. He tries that and clawing me when I pet him, but I just put him on place when he gets bossy.
But I may be doing it all wrong. Most likely am. I am old school, and try to reward the good calmly, and ignore the nonsense.
Leashing up for a walk should not take 20 minutes, not in a one-year-old dog that you've had since he was a baby. I'm starting to think that maybe a video of these tantrums would be useful to the members here who are trying to help. We can't load videos to this site, but maybe you could load one to another site and provide a link? Sorry, I don't know exactly how all that works. But you did send a video to that trainer a few weeks ago, right? If there was a way that we all could see something like that, it might help. I don't know, but I'm trying to think of something, anything, we can do here. Oftentimes, things get lost in translation or misunderstood when trying to solve problems only via the written word. Actually seeing something happening can be a revelation.
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Re: Managing a dominant dog...
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#406944 - 10/05/2018 02:55 PM |
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No I did not have a video, I planned on skyping with the trainer .
I could possibly find a you tube video that is similar to his nonsense.
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Re: Managing a dominant dog...
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#406945 - 10/05/2018 06:23 PM |
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No I did not have a video, I planned on skyping with the trainer .
I could possibly find a you tube video that is similar to his nonsense.
Okay. I just re-read pertinent portions of your "Grumpy Pup" thread, and you say you were going to schedule a Skype session with Jeff Gellman; but apparently his suggestion that you weren't being firm enough with Harry was just based on the FB chat, without the actual Skype? You haven't followed up with Jeff after that one contact?
As far as finding a video of some other dog on YT that behaves in a similar manner, I'll be honest and say, just from my perspective, I don't think that will help. There might be some instances where a picture or video of something similar to an issue that someone has might be helpful, but I don't think this is one of those cases. Maybe others will chime in and say, yes, go ahead and do that, but me personally, I really would need to see your dog and how you interact with him when he has one of the tantrums.
If a video of you and Harry is not possible, I understand.
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Re: Managing a dominant dog...
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#406946 - 10/05/2018 10:48 PM |
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Another dog with another handler on video will have to many small differences that can make it not applicable IMHO!
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