 Re: time to go raw, but need advice
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#174989 - 01/13/2008 02:32 PM |
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But yeah, I too really want to know why the vet said it didn't look like bloat.
I guess I would really want a second opinion, based on the whole thing with the first vet: no fecal, no bloodwork, no explanation of why it didn't look like bloat (plus the x-ray thing)....
I really can't understand why they wouldn't want anything other than x-rays - and then not consider bloat after the one tool they DID use revealed a LOT OF GAS in his digestive tract??!!... seems totally incompetent and lazy to me. Plus their bedside manner obviously left something to be desired... 
And I agree about carefully starting the raw diet with select ingredients - maybe just boiled boneless meat for a bit, then phasing in small amounts of one raw source... then some bones... keep it simple and bland and work up... not that I'm any kind of expert!  
Is the salmon oil and E something you'd start asap - regardless of the diet, or also wait for a "calm gut" before adding in?? I know it's tops as far as nutrition, but it is just fat... which could be tough until his tummy settles...
~Natalya
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Re: time to go raw, but need advice
[Re: Natalya Zahn ]
#174991 - 01/13/2008 02:47 PM |
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... Is the salmon oil and E something you'd start asap - regardless of the diet, or also wait for a "calm gut" before adding in?? I know it's tops as far as nutrition, but it is just fat... which could be tough until his tummy settles...
~Natalya
Well, this is JMO: Yes. Here's why: The amount is very small compared with the rest of the diet, and long-chain Omega 3 EFAs promote the manufacture of a group of hormones that suppress inflammation (whereas the Omega 6s promote the manufacture and activity of another group of hormones that stimulate inflammation). Inflammation is a necessary healing response, but there can also be inflammation that has passed its usefulness and needs to be tamped down.
Steroids are a short-term device for this inflammation-amok situation, and a device that's loaded with negatives (although sometimes it certainly can be a magic bullet when used carefully and in the least possible amount). Omega 3s are a long-term tool with no bad effects (as far as I know).
So my vote would be yes, in case the bowel is inflamed and because modern diets need it anyway.
You're 100% correct about fat and diarrhea, though, so I'd start with a low dose rather than the full gram-per-20-pounds. And I would watch the result.
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Re: time to go raw, but need advice
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#175004 - 01/13/2008 03:28 PM |
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Hi guys, I have been busy for a while, so just saw all the posts! He ate avery small amount of the chicken and rice, but not enthusiastically. Kind of just licked at it, looked around, eventually ate it. I gave him about 1/4 cup, maybe a little more, added a little water and some yogurt, maybe 1 1/2 tablespoons. He will drink small amounts of water with encouragement, but doesn't really want to. So far so good, no signs of distress, just the blahs so to speak. I just ordered the salmon oil and the book, priority mail, so when I get them I will start giving him the oil, in the lower dose.
Thanks again.
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Re: time to go raw, but need advice
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#175007 - 01/13/2008 03:38 PM |
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Well, this is JMO: Yes. Here's why: The amount is very small compared with the rest of the diet, and long-chain Omega 3 EFAs promote the manufacture of a group of hormones that suppress inflammation (whereas the Omega 6s promote the manufacture and activity of another group of hormones that stimulate inflammation). Inflammation is a necessary healing response, but there can also be inflammation that has passed its usefulness and needs to be tamped down.
That makes total sense...
~Natalya
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Re: time to go raw, but need advice
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#175010 - 01/13/2008 03:45 PM |
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Im glad he seems to be feeling better, poor guy sounds miserable
I would also consider giving him a gas-x with food just to do some preventative measures and keep his tummy from getting uncomfortable again.
And also maybe adding a little bit of canned pumpkin, it will help keep the stool balanced whether soft or hard.
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Re: time to go raw, but need advice
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#175011 - 01/13/2008 03:47 PM |
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I would also consider giving him a gas-x with food just to do some preventative measures and keep his tummy from getting uncomfortable again.
And also maybe adding a little bit of canned pumpkin, it will help keep the stool balanced whether soft or hard.
Me too. I would be watching this guy very carefully and keeping the amounts of food at a time waaay down.
I keep canned plain pumpkin on hand all the time.... I strongly recommend it as a pantry staple.
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Re: time to go raw, but need advice
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#175016 - 01/13/2008 03:50 PM |
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I did give him one Gas-X this morning, but am not sure about the doseage or frequency for a dog, any suggestions? He is a big boy, 29 1/2 inches and 110 lbs.
And how much canned pumpkin at a time?
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Re: time to go raw, but need advice
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#175019 - 01/13/2008 03:52 PM |
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I have no idea, but if there is a weekend or after hours clinic near you you might be able to call them and give them his size and weight and see what they say.
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Re: time to go raw, but need advice
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#175023 - 01/13/2008 04:04 PM |
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QUOTE: GAS-X (Simethicone):
Simethicone is used in dogs to help with unusual flatulence or gas discomfort. Any dog suspected of Bloat should get 2 doses immediately before transport to the Emergency Clinic. END
and then there is a little chart for weight-based doses.
http://www.walkervalleyvet.com/otc-meds.htm
It says "large dog, one adult dose," and then it goes on to double it for a suspected episode.
On the pumpkin, I give 1 tablespoon to a small dog and two to a big one.
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Re: time to go raw, but need advice
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#175024 - 01/13/2008 04:07 PM |
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Oh I love that web page! I'm printing it, this is great information about all the ovet the counter stuff. I have always wondered about this.
Connie, I bow down to to your wealth of knowledge and wisdom....
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