If you top off a rare, really, really expensive bottle of champaigne(sp) by pissing in it, does the good still outweigh the bad?

No one enters this world alone and very few leave this world alone with no one who cares about them.

This person either good or bad, or who am I to say; I'll never spit on a mans grave for sake of those who remain who had no control over what kind of man he was.

Do I think he deserved the fan fare or media coverage... no. Did I turn the channel? Yep, I sure did and you know what, I still knew that Fawcett, McMahon, eight fine heroes, and Mays all died. Did the coverage of one guy who while I had fond memories of the music and mixed feelings about the life of change my reaction to each piece of that news? Not one bit.

 Quote: amy scott

As a future soldier, I understand the importance of acknowledging our fallen Heroes.

But I can say I am disgusted that people simply are willing to believe someone is a child molester based solely on the press and there was no criminal conviction for it.

OJ was a murderer, but not criminally convicted. Robert (forget his last name...from "Barretta") was a murderer...but not convicted. Kobie Bryant was a rapist...but not convicted......and the list goes on.

Poor defense strategy Amy. Michael Vick WAS convicted but thats because people love dogs more than other people....and he still will have a reduced sentence based on his celebrity status.

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 Quote: amy scott

As a future soldier, I understand the importance of acknowledging our fallen Heroes.

But I can say I am disgusted that people simply are willing to believe someone is a child molester based solely on the press and there was no criminal conviction for it.

OJ was a murderer, but not criminally convicted. Robert (forget his last name...from "Barretta") was a murderer...but not convicted. Kobie Bryant was a rapist...but not convicted......and the list goes on.

Poor defense strategy Amy. Michael Vick WAS convicted but thats because people love dogs more than other people....and he still will have a reduced sentence based on his celebrity status.

Let's not forget Roman Polanski who drugged and sodomized a forteen year old girl but that's ok 'cus he makes such wonderful movies year

 Quote: sheila buckley

I'm curious......does anyone who is defending MJ have kids?

I do, and I would never let my child sleep over at the home of ANY unrelated adult. This is one of my biggest questions about the motivations of the parents who DID allow it. If they weren't thinking "payday" what WERE they thinking?

 Quote: Tanith Wheeler

What always annoys me that people like him can get off with kiddy-fiddling, dog fighting, animal abuse, can kill people by driving drunk, run around with guns, glorify gang violence.

These are the people who children see as role models!!
Is it any wonder society has gone to hell?

This thought process is why society is going to hell: the notion that we can blame others for where we ourselves fall short; the idea that it's always somebody else's fault. PARENTS should be a child's primary influence, not some celebrity. If you have a child that looks to celebrities for their values instead of their family, well, that's a personal problem that can only be rectified within the family. Your children should see YOU as the role model, so that's who's behaviour you have to be concerned with. I'm not a big fan of directing blame outward. We are all responsible for our own behaviour and the behaviour of those in our care. PERIOD. It's OUR job to be the primary influence in our children's lives, and our responsibility to act accordingly.

I don't believe in deifying celebrities, they're just people (though many of them quite astounding and wonderful people) and I don't believe celebrities enjoy living their lives in a fishbowl, their reputations always at the mercy of ruthless and fickle public opinion. The media does what they have to to sell papers. Yet we continue to blame celebrities for the lies the media sells to us about them.

THIS is what I have a hard time with: this blindly hanging on every sensational word that we do, and the way it brings out our most repulsive behavior. It's reprehensible.

Prior to the MJ trial, when he was arrested the 2nd time, I thought he must be guilty. If he was guilty I wanted him to be found guilty and sent to prison. So I watched the MJ trial, I did NOT think the evidence was there to convict,and more importantly, I believed he was INNOCENT of the charges. Every single witness for the prosecution was tainted, or had ulterior motives. How about the parade of child stars that swore under oath that MJ never touched them? Were THEY all lying too, because what, they're star struck, or what they got money for lying? Oh never mind, they already had money, so no REASON to lie. The boy who's daddy DID want money has RECANTED his accusations, you believed him before, but NOW he's lying? How convenient.

I really am sick to death of people who are so arrogant they assume that everytime a jury comes back with a verdict they don't like....well then the jury must be star struck or stupid - even though they based their judgments on what they read in the press, not the evidence presented to the jury.

Remember McMartin PreSchool sexual abuse case? THEY were found to be not guilty, which put the public's morally outraged panties in a twist too, but now we all know that in fact they WERE innocent - or do some of you still believe the children weren't lying about car wash orgies and seeing Raymond Buckley fly?

I have listened to people who ACTUALLY knew MJ talk about him. I heard Whoopi Goldberg say that in fact, she would and DID let her kids/grand kids be around MJ when she visted him. I guess I must be nuts because trust the judgement of those who knew him and had no motive to lie, over people who wanted something from him and the rag mags BS any day.

Go figure.

 Quote: Mallory Kwiatkowski

even if he did the things he was accused of, so what.

You're kidding me, right?
are you saying even if he did molest children, so what????

Was he a talented musician, yes, i will definately give him that!

But this man was definately not mentally well.

Just because someone isn't found guilty of something in a court of law does not mean they definately, absolutely did not commit the crime in question. There are too many reasons to name as to why a person could do something of a criminal nature and NOT be found guilty in a court of law.

It happens EVERY SINGLE DAY!

 Quote: Wendy Lefebvre

You're kidding me, right?
Just because someone isn't found guilty of something in a court of law does not mean they definately, absolutely did not commit the crime in question. There are too many reasons to name as to why a person could do something of a criminal nature and NOT be found guilty in a court of law.

It happens EVERY SINGLE DAY!

wow, using your logic, lets just do away with pesky & expensive trials and jurors, after all, if someone was arrested well then, by god they must be guilty, because police and prosecutors are infallible, so whatever they say goes. They NEVER make mistakes, right? Martin Tankleff really was guilty, right? Or if not that, let's just brand a scarlet letter on the forehead of everyone arrested, doesn't matter if they are guilty or not.

Whoopi Goldberg is also a kook that I wouldn't trust my kids with

You MJ haters don't get it... he said himself that he slept with children to give them "LOVE". What's wrong with that ?!

And in the following picture, he was OBVIOUSLY showing the world how much he cared about his baby.



MJ was PERFECTLY balanced. Otherwise we wouldn't have hundreds of minutes of media coverage showering him in praise while we have soldiers dying trying to make the world a better place have their memories fall into oblivion, right, RIGHT ?

PS: sorry for ruining people's lunch time by posting a picture of him.