Re: Yet another embarrassing problem
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#326330 - 04/08/2011 03:26 PM |
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Re: Yet another embarrassing problem
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#326331 - 04/08/2011 03:28 PM |
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Nothing constructive except to say that I also have a manipulator who constantly tries new things. Mine's latest is to roll over. During a desensitizing period I rewarded this submissive appearing posture, now I find him upside down in front of the refrigerator, beside my boots, next to his leash, it's ridiculous. He's just on his back all over the place. It looks so foolish.
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Re: Yet another embarrassing problem
[Re: Betty Landercasp ]
#326334 - 04/08/2011 03:36 PM |
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Does her tail tuck like the dog in the video?
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Re: Yet another embarrassing problem
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#326335 - 04/08/2011 03:40 PM |
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That video is a really good example of how NOT to handle it, btw.
The basic dog obedience dvd has a good example of this exact behavior in it. Ed says that using light, quick leash pops is the way to go in dealing with this.I would probably also reward when the dogs feet get moving.
eta: It really bothers me that this video is called "alpha dog" anything. The dog in the video is not being dominant. If anything he seems majorly confused and a little fearful.
Just wanted to mention it in case you were thinking the similarity had something to do with the perception of dominance in your own dog.
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Re: Yet another embarrassing problem
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#326336 - 04/08/2011 03:46 PM |
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That video is a really good example of how NOT to handle it, btw.
Plus I think she was using an ecollar while jerking him around. That poor dog.
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Re: Yet another embarrassing problem
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#326337 - 04/08/2011 03:52 PM |
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I think you are right, Barbara.
The hand on the hip was a little confusing to me initialy, now I see it. At first I thought her leash handling just sucked.
Very poor training skills all around in this video.
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Re: Yet another embarrassing problem
[Re: Lauren Jeffery ]
#326348 - 04/08/2011 04:10 PM |
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The dog in the video WAS an alpha-dog. He might have not wanted to be one, but he was until they got him under control.
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/articles/alphadog.htm
He was biting kids, guarding furniture, food, toys, refusing to walk on lead, or only walk in the direction he wanted to. She was handling him fine, for a young girl (she is I think 14). I would have even corrected him, which I don't think she does. He was also seriously under-walked I think. These guys are Cesar fans :-). They actually handle their own dogs quite well, and rehabilitated some pretty tough rescue dogs also.. Knowing about Leerburg program now, I maybe would have handled this issue differently but tehy certainly done a good job working with that dog. This video is more to show his behaviour I think, not how they did it.
Nope, Yume does not tuck her tail. She also has a "flip over" issue. We used to alpha-roll her long time ago, before we got a prong collar, later I taught her that it's a command "Over" and is a good thing, so now she also tries it every time she messes up, flips over and surrenders, because I cannot correct a doggie that shows me her belly. It works with me, so she is doing it. I'll have to work it out.
Oh, and she NEVER has any issues taking food after any corrections at all, period, she in fact will lose interest in the tantrum if she sees something more interesting going on around. "Oh, lady with the tasty-smelling groceries, oh, seems like I don't want to scream anymore and want to go smell them instead". Yep, manipulator. Also , when she is due for ear cleaning or nail trimming, she uses the good ole' trick of burying her face in my lap and sighing, airplane ears and all, "I give up, I'm a good doggie, please don't do it" approach (she's scared of the smell of vinegar, rubbing alcohol and detest the nail trimmer, still). Sorry, still have to clean the ears. But this screaming thing..it's really scary.
She flips over now just in case pretty much for everything. I show her food, she flips over. I have to get her up and ask her to "Down" or "Sit" instead, and she still sometimes tries to flip over when she thinks it will work better and get her her meal faster :-). It's like currency for her here. I was teaching her to crawl yesterday (we both were home alone and bored) and she did well, but when she didn't understand what I want she would still roll over just in case, maybe it'll work and I'll give her something. :-)
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Re: Yet another embarrassing problem
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#326350 - 04/08/2011 04:15 PM |
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Nope, no e-collar. She has a cellphone on her hip. The collar he is wearing is an Illusion collar, just a high collar, that's it. I don;t drag my dog though like this girl does, I tend to walk into her and give her a command and try to sound pretty grim. Seems to work better with her. She usually listens to commands for some reason while still yelling at me, so a down-stay for 15 minutes I think will be my next approach if I can't physically interfere without getting hurt. her protest is much worse, though.
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Re: Yet another embarrassing problem
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#326357 - 04/08/2011 04:28 PM |
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I assure you that dog was never an alpha dog. Zero taining or leadership, definitely. Alpha, not at all.
But this thread is not about that dog.
Personaly, I wouldnt make a big deal of it at all. She wont connect the down stay to the action of not walking, plus if you percieve your dog to be a pushy type the down stay is not something you want to carry a negative connotation. Getting a pushy dog to down can be hard enough without adding the punishment factor in.
If this is was my dog I would try the quick popping and praise her for coming along. Keep a neutral attitude and remember that its not really a punishment, more a way to get them moving.
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Re: Yet another embarrassing problem
[Re: Maria Martynchik ]
#326360 - 04/08/2011 04:41 PM |
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Nope, no e-collar. She has a cellphone on her hip. The collar he is wearing is an Illusion collar, just a high collar, that's it.
I see that in the other link - I stand corrected.
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