Martin Espericueta wrote 03/10/2006 03:07 PM Re: LOL, there's no reason to be rude, Jeff... [Re: Candi Campbell ] #100447 - 03/10/2006 03:07 PM
Martin Espericueta Webboard User Reg: 02-07-2006 Posts: 109 Loc: Central Valley, CA, USA Offline	Quote: I gave ALL the required disclaimers...With all due respect, I do have a question though...Is this forum JUST for professional trainers' comments ONLY, or is it a chat-board where pet owners may also post opinions (accompanied by appropriate disclaimers as to their amateur status) ??? Hello Candi, In no way was I implying that your comments were not welcomed, just because you're NOT a pro. I am just asking (and I have, unless otherwise proved, taken your opinion to heart.) for A LOT of opinions regarding this issue. To be honest, I am EXTREMELY PARANOID that I'll fail my puppy by doing something wrong. Just do a search on my name, and you'll see that all of my 17 posts are VERY NEWBIE... So, if I have offended you, I am truely sorry. Now Back On Topic <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> God Bless, Martin Schatzie!
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susan tuck wrote 03/10/2006 03:09 PM Re: Neuter the "drive" out of her? [Re: Martin Espericueta ] #100448 - 03/10/2006 03:09 PM
susan tuck Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2006 Posts: 1608 Loc: Cali & Wash State Offline	If it were my dog, I'd leave her intact, but keep a good eye out for pyrometria <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> (I can't spell it). Since you don't have a problem cleaning up after her a couple times a year, & won't let her get bred by accident, why alter her? In any case, you wouldn't be spaying her until she reached adulthood, so you have time to ponder the question. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Candi Campbell wrote 03/10/2006 03:17 PM My reply & question were addressed to Jeff <:-) [Re: Martin Espericueta ] #100449 - 03/10/2006 03:17 PM
Candi Campbell Webboard User Reg: 02-06-2006 Posts: 696 Loc: San Francisco, CA Offline	Martin, please see where I was posting to JEFF, and not yourself in that particular case -- You've been polite & inoffensive <:-) I'm a newbie here myself, so I'll let discretion be the better part of valor on this one & sign off this thread for now. How anyone can live without a dog is beyond me...
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Martin Espericueta wrote 03/10/2006 03:22 PM Re: Neuter the "drive" out of her? [Re: susan tuck ] #100450 - 03/10/2006 03:22 PM
Martin Espericueta Webboard User Reg: 02-07-2006 Posts: 109 Loc: Central Valley, CA, USA Offline	Quote: If it were my dog, I'd leave her intact, but keep a good eye out for pyrometria <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> (I can't spell it). Since you don't have a problem cleaning up after her a couple times a year, & won't let her get bred by accident, why alter her? In any case, you wouldn't be spaying her until she reached adulthood, so you have time to ponder the question. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Hum...Now, since more than likely I WON'T be breeding her (& if I do, it'll only be if she is OK'ed by a vet, ie: hips), but I WILL be protection training her (myself, not hiring anyone, from what I'm learning here and other trusted resources), so now my qestion is this: If her drive is INcreased with being spayed, will that give her the edge, as is the case with Candi's expierence? God Bless, Martin Schatzie!
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Connie Sutherland wrote 03/10/2006 03:22 PM Re: Neuter the "drive" out of her? [Re: susan tuck ] #100451 - 03/10/2006 03:22 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: .....Since you don't have a problem cleaning up after her a couple times a year, & won't let her get bred by accident, why alter her?...... One reason might be these stats: QUOTE: Mammary cancer: Estrogen is one of the primary causes of canine mammary cancer, the most common malignant tumor in dogs. Animals that are spayed prior to one year of age very rarely develop this malignancy. Spaying a dog before her first heat is the best way to significantly reduce the chance your dog will develop mammary cancer. The risk of malignant mammary tumors in dogs spayed prior to their first heat is 0.05%. It is 8% for dog spayed after one heat, and 26% in dogs spayed after their second heat. END QUOTE That quote is from PetEducation.com, but the stats are available on many sites if you Google DOGS, SPAY. I understand that this thread is about drive and spaying; I am answering this one question posed about what reasons there might be for spaying, in general, aside from preventing "accidental" breeding.
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Martin Espericueta wrote 03/10/2006 03:39 PM Re: Neuter the "drive" out of her? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #100452 - 03/10/2006 03:39 PM
Martin Espericueta Webboard User Reg: 02-07-2006 Posts: 109 Loc: Central Valley, CA, USA Offline	Quote: One reason might be these stats: I understand that this thread is about drive and spaying; I am answering this one question posed about what reasons there might be for spaying, in general, aside from preventing "accidental" breeding. Thanks Connie, so much to think about... Right now, I'm thinking I'm going to go outside with Sable, and enjoy her Puppydome!!! Still waiting on other opinions too! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> God Bless, Martin Schatzie!
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ann freier wrote 03/10/2006 09:09 PM Re: Neuter the "drive" out of her? [Re: Martin Espericueta ] #100453 - 03/10/2006 09:09 PM
ann freier Webboard User Reg: 11-20-2005 Posts: 673 Loc: NE Nebraska Offline	in my experience, spaying a bitch doesn't decrease her drives in the least. the drives you're asking about are genetic. as i understand it, to take advantage of the hormonal influence on drives, leave her intact until she's 2 (as with males) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />. in fact, it seems to me that along with Connie's (very good) reasons for spaying, if you take her mind off the seasonal distractions, you end up with a more consistently focused (sp?) dog. as i've said before, the best dog i've ever had was a GSDX bitch, and she was spayed at 6 mo. the real person(s) to answer this question would be ANY of the moderators, though--they've seen, literally thousands of dogs between them.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 03/10/2006 09:39 PM Re: Neuter the "drive" out of her? [Re: ann freier ] #100454 - 03/10/2006 09:39 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: ....in fact, it seems to me that along with Connie's (very good) reasons for spaying, if you take her mind off the seasonal distractions, you end up with a more consistently focused (sp?) dog...... Reminder: There are other health issues to be considered when the spaying subject comes up. (Again, I'm *not* addressing drives, which was the original poster's subject.) Very early spaying can contribute to UTIs, and other potential challenges. The timing of spaying is something to discuss and decide with your vet, after acquainting yourself with the advantages of spaying and the disadvantages of extremely early spaying (IMO). I'm not a health professional. These are just suggestions about things to consider.
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jeff oehlsen wrote 03/11/2006 04:08 PM Re: Neuter the "drive" out of her? [Re: ann freier ] #100455 - 03/11/2006 04:08 PM
jeff oehlsen Webboard User Reg: 11-20-2002 Posts: 1303 Loc: Colorado Offline	If you are talking about doing the bitework, I would leave her intact. There are some dogs out there that have more than enough drive to do the work. If this is what kind of dog you have, then you will be OK. If you have less than that, I would not spay. I do see a difference after they are spayed. I am smarter than my dog, your just not.
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Martin Espericueta wrote 03/11/2006 04:48 PM Re: Neuter the "drive" out of her? [Re: jeff oehlsen ] #100456 - 03/11/2006 04:48 PM
Martin Espericueta Webboard User Reg: 02-07-2006 Posts: 109 Loc: Central Valley, CA, USA Offline	Thanks to you all for the info/advice! With the combined replies here, as well as PM's and other research, I've decided to keep her UNaltered. Once again, since she's an indoor dog, and will be my shadow when outdoors, unplanned pregnancy should'nt be at issue. Thanks all! God Bless, Martin Schatzie!
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