Luke Charlton wrote 04/11/2006 04:55 PM Cocktails? #103924 - 04/11/2006 04:55 PM
Luke Charlton Webboard User Reg: 08-04-2005 Posts: 149 Loc: Houston, TX Offline	I've read Ed's and other's views on Vaccinations and actually have been practicing this for a while but it's been a long time since I've had to do puppy vaccinations. My local vets do not have separate vaccines they are all mixed as a cocktail, distemper, flu, hepatitus, parvo. Is this ok if it's just for the one time? as in not doing yearlys for these. I am a little concerned about doing it myself because of the possibility of an ineffective dose. Suggestions? Enzo v Messingsberg, IPO1
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Luke Charlton wrote 04/12/2006 08:16 AM Re: Cocktails? [Re: Luke Charlton ] #103925 - 04/12/2006 08:16 AM
Luke Charlton Webboard User Reg: 08-04-2005 Posts: 149 Loc: Houston, TX Offline	the exact cocktail is distemper, parvo, hepatitus, parinfluenza, and corona. My vet says these are all necessary hee in florida. He does not do annual vaccinations unless titers shows a necessity. any thoughts? Enzo v Messingsberg, IPO1
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Luke Charlton wrote 04/12/2006 10:50 AM Re: Cocktails? [Re: Luke Charlton ] #103926 - 04/12/2006 10:50 AM
Luke Charlton Webboard User Reg: 08-04-2005 Posts: 149 Loc: Houston, TX Offline	This is confusing because all of the research I've done comes up with different answers. Everyone seems to agree that Parvo and distemper are necessary. They don't however agree on how many times, live or dead, mixed together or which is to be given first otherwise. As far as the others that are in the mix hepatitus, parainfluenza, and corona some say they are necessary others say they are not. I have yet to find anyone saying that any of these three can cause major problems like the lepto, lyme or bordetella horror stories I've come across. Then there is the issue of of titers. I read a post by Cindy where she linked an article that states titers is not an effective test for immunity and I've seen it a few other places as well. I guess the best way to test is vaccinate and wait ten days and then do a titers. My questions at this point are has anyone had any major issues with Corona, hep, or parainfluenza vaccinations. And how many times should I administer this dose? Is one sufficient? Enzo v Messingsberg, IPO1
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/12/2006 11:18 AM Re: Cocktails? [Re: Luke Charlton ] #103927 - 04/12/2006 11:18 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: the exact cocktail is distemper, parvo, hepatitus, parinfluenza, and corona. My vet says these are all necessary hee in florida. He does not do annual vaccinations unless titers shows a necessity. any thoughts? Today's issue of the email newsletter from The Honest Kitchen (food) addresses this "cocktail." I'm not going to quote from it because it came in an email and not on a web site, and I don't know how that works, but I'm sure you can join the THK site and read it. You can't call around for a vet who does the vaccinations the way you want them done?
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Jenni Williams wrote 04/12/2006 12:54 PM Re: Cocktails? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #103928 - 04/12/2006 12:54 PM
Jenni Williams Webboard User Reg: 10-06-2005 Posts: 2686 Loc: llinois Offline	Everything I read tells me it's a money issue; they order the cocktails b/c they're cheaper to order them that way. I bet you don't pay less just because they do, though. I would never let my puppy have a combo vaccine, but that's just me. I'd ask if you can order the separate ones, and see what they say.
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Luke Charlton wrote 04/12/2006 02:04 PM Re: Cocktails? [Re: Jenni Williams ] #103929 - 04/12/2006 02:04 PM
Luke Charlton Webboard User Reg: 08-04-2005 Posts: 149 Loc: Houston, TX Offline	I've called a bunch of different vets in my area and gotten the same response. Basically: "This is the only way we order the vaccines, we can't get them separate and they really need all of these in our area". I know at least the middle part is not true because my old vet (different area) could get them separate. If it's just about money, I don't really care I just don't want to do something that could potentially harm my new puppy. Enzo v Messingsberg, IPO1
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Luke Charlton wrote 04/12/2006 02:07 PM Re: Cocktails? [Re: Jenni Williams ] #103930 - 04/12/2006 02:07 PM
Luke Charlton Webboard User Reg: 08-04-2005 Posts: 149 Loc: Houston, TX Offline	Quote: I would never let my puppy have a combo vaccine, but that's just me. Why? Is it the mixing of the vaccines or the fact that certain vaccines could be harmful? Are there specific vaccines you have a problem with in this particular mixture or is it just that it's a combo? Enzo v Messingsberg, IPO1
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Jenni Williams wrote 04/12/2006 02:08 PM Re: Cocktails? [Re: Luke Charlton ] #103931 - 04/12/2006 02:08 PM
Jenni Williams Webboard User Reg: 10-06-2005 Posts: 2686 Loc: llinois Offline	I agree, Luke. My dog was diagnosed with "acute vaccinosis" which is a cute term for vaccine-induced epilepsy. I wouldn't chance it. It was a combo shot 5 years ago, so we don't know which one caused the reaction, but that was his last shot. Keep trying until you find one that will order them separately and space them out over a few weeks...even if they make you pay for the fact that they had to order it special.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 04/12/2006 02:17 PM Re: Cocktails? [Re: Luke Charlton ] #103932 - 04/12/2006 02:17 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote:  Quote: I would never let my puppy have a combo vaccine, but that's just me. Why? Is it the mixing of the vaccines or the fact that certain vaccines could be harmful? Are there specific vaccines you have a problem with in this particular mixture or is it just that it's a combo? Foe me, it's especially the combination vaccines. These include Parvovirus and distemper, adenovirus, leptospirosis, and coronavirus ---- a bunch of powerful pathogens to rush directly into the blood all at once.
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Luke Charlton wrote 04/12/2006 02:49 PM Re: Cocktails? [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #103933 - 04/12/2006 02:49 PM
Luke Charlton Webboard User Reg: 08-04-2005 Posts: 149 Loc: Houston, TX Offline	Ok, thanks for the replies. I'm going to keep trying to get separate vaccines but since he's coming on 12 weeks I may be stuck. Enzo v Messingsberg, IPO1
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