Angelique,

Has to start standing? Who says?

I started him sitting. Wife looped a leash around his lower abdomen. I say "Stand", she props him up. Back feet hit the ground, mark-and-treat (With food. He likes food. Food is good). Done and done. Never touched him...never occurred to me to touch him. He's a decent stander, nonetheless.

As already featured in the Eich worshipping thread (8 months old, though he was just as good a couple months earlier too):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-01dNsUs3V0&mode=related&search=

The paths are many, I suppose.

I think there is alot of diffrent methods and the reason why I say touch is because what we've seen in our obedience classes, when a handler comes towards the dog from a stand ,some would start to move ,sit ,laydown.And I am talking about our obedience club not Schutzhund.I have been taking this class for years for socialization ect.. but many dogs from a stand ,when their handler would come back to them they'd move.SO the instructors would always have us touch our dog while the dog is standing , go back to our position 10 feet from the dog, and do that "touch" several time during the exercise so that the dog would be comfortable in that position and would be comfortable having movements going around the dog and having the handler return with out the dog moving an inch.It makes sense to me cause I have seen it so many times.I have seen dogs in "stand" not comfortable with judges coming around the dog or simply movements going around about the dog during his "stand" exercise.I would bet that if you took 5 people that have a dog that knows there stand commmand, have their handler go to them and pet their dog on the head the dog would move( if he has been taught that exercise with out the touch) during it.I think it's a preference in rather you start from a sit or a stand and the results you've had with it, with more than one dog.But Hey ,if your method worked and he is "solid" in his "stand" I think that's great..I have always loved your videos ,performance is great.You know too is that a dog that goes from one command to the next fast , sometimes apprehend the commands too, I like to see (in my dog)a command last longer in it's position,with out moving.I know yours does it, but for the people that are starting in it, it's best if you teach those commands and have them there in it for a bit.The "stand " in schutzhund is not a quick stand and heal, they have to hold that position for a while.SO IMO it is good to test them in any position.Just like some people that have their dog in a sit and they try pulling a bit on the leash for the dog to keep holding in his position.Then you know he understand his position
I totally agree with your way of doing it too, like you said many methods out there

Plus Steven ,you used another person in this exercise something most of us don't have everythime we want to train, but that is not something I want to get started on using.
Yuko, it took Bandit my 15 month old 2 weeks, and he is solid in his stand ,you can come up and pet him, push on his back, push on his butt, he WILL stand still.Standing has to be a good place.Like I said when I brush him I always remind him"good stand"and again during the teaching ,even now, I'll walk up to him and(from his stand) , run my hands around his belly, pat him on his chest, (alwasy remind him "stand" "good boy" I wait a few minutes and "brake" give him his toy.If he moves from his stand do not go to him and look as if you are going to correct him ,simply grabb him by his colors(calmly) and put him back where he was and repeat the exercise.

Woo hoo!!

It worked, thanks Angelique!!!!

I practiced touching and stroking him while standing several times yesterday and he's solid now!!

I tested him at home; pulled upward on his leash a little (thinking it might make him sit) but he didn't budge. I then pushed down on his butt (again, expecting him to sit), but he didn't move. I then tried pushing him from side to side, back and forth, but he was rock solid the whole time!!

Afterwards, I took him out to the park, put him in a stand stay and moved away from him. Did what you talked about; moved back towards him and petted his head. No movement at all.

I then went around behind him, and he twisted his neck and turned his head to watch me, but didn't move his feet at all.

Finally, I started running and jumping around him, making funny noises. All I got was a cute head cock from him, but no break in the stand!!

I'm so happy - he even stood through me throwing the orbee ball around him (and he's crazy about that orbee ball!).

I'll keep working on this and by the end of the week, I'll try the exercise with dogs running around. I don't think it'll fool him; his sit-stay and down-stay are already solid, even with dogs coming within 4-5 feet of him.

Thanks Angelique, you're brilliant and your method is the best one I've tried so far.

You're welcome Yuko!
I'm glad it worked out for you ,sounds like you got great results.I love the obedience phase, more than the bite work ..I have never used an E-collar for my obedience training , the only time I ever use it is for long distance correction and the out on the sleeve.But I really enjoy obedience alot, patience is a good thing...