Ok. So here is the deal. My fist PPD dog was a Giant Schnauzer, great dog, not for me. since, I've wanted a real deal boxer. After much searching... eh, didn't find it. So now Im trying a new breed. Can the Dobe be a real PPD with civil drive. No sleeve or ankle biters here... someone I can feel confident with.

Ideally would look for a young adult with training on him, just in case I can get lucky with this post, lol, althouh I know thats probably impossible.

But 1., In general can a Dobe do this work... not sport, real PPD. and 2. If so, where are they? either puppies or young adults.... Any info? Message me for any more info or specifics on what I'm looking for...

Well that depends on who you ask.

If you ask a Dobe owner, Dobe's are the greatest PPD breed that ever walked the earth.

If you ask someone that actually knows how to read dogs, they will ask you "Why arent you looking at GSD's or Mal's?".

I'm with Mike here ( and I supplied "real" ppd's for several years ).

While I've seen some good quality dobes, they're as rare as hen's teeth.
If you're serious about getting a ppd, it's a bad idea in general to looking to the more unusual breeds for a dog that will actually protect you in a critical situation.

Look around and see what the Police ( who are *often* in critical situations ) use........a GSD or a Mal.

I'm gonna stick my head above the parapet here.......

Police DO use Dobies. And our police have given up with Mals because of inconsistant biting and lower life expectancy. They were finding it hard to ensure the dogs consistantly takes the arm in re-classification, which means it fails.

The German and Easter European police still use Dobermanns, Rottweilers, GSDs, Mals, all sorts.

Some GSDs that are supposed to be 'bad-ass protection dogs' are complete wet blankets. They bark (a lot) but run away when challenged.

The questions I would ask are why do you want a Dobe? Is it your first 'guard' breed? What experiences do you have of Dobes/GSDs/Rotts/Mals?
What was wrong with the Giant Schnauzer? Police use them, too. Why would you want a boxer as a 'real deal PPD'?

Finding a good dog of any breed can be difficult. That can be even more diffcult with one of the more infrequently used breeds.

There are some fantastic Dobes out there, but they are as rare as rocking-horse poo to get hold of.

I think you need to do some more research with an open mind, and then make a decision.

HTH
Rob

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And our police have given up with Mals because of inconsistant biting and lower life expectancy.

Interesting. I would hardly blame it on the breed though, but perhaps the dogs they selected? Aren't there all kinds of annoying rules about Police K9's in the UK? Strict import laws, showline GSD's working as police K9's, cops officially not allowed to use a prong collar to train dogs, liability concerns etc? I think it was Wales, weren't they talking about training dogs to hit people instead of biting them? On the London radio show the other day hosted by Nick Ferrari, I was told they were debating the complaints that police dogs were trained in German instead of English. Not sure what the extent of the debate was, but I would hardly think the dogs trained language should be a priority if the dog is a good dog. Learning 6 words isn't the end of the world

I have come accross maybe 30 or so working K9's in Belgium, at Embassy's, NATO, bomb dogs around Brussels, etc etc etc. Every single one of them was a Malinois. Maybe they are having better luck here because it is Belgium, and borders to France and Holland? I would have a hard time believing that they would continue using Mal's here if they were inconsistent.

I know Germany is cracking down on "vicious dogs", which to me suggestsa PR issue, so I would hardly take their use of Dobe's and Rottie's as a sure reason that they are as good as GSD's or Mal's. Perhaps they got lucky in finding good dogs.

I also hear there is a breeder in Sweden producing good Dobe's. I have seen a young male from them and he looked like he had alot of potential.

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And our police have given up with Mals because of inconsistant biting and lower life expectancy.

Interesting. I would hardly blame it on the breed though, but perhaps the dogs they selected? Aren't there all kinds of annoying rules about Police K9's in the UK? Strict import laws, showline GSD's working as police K9's, cops officially not allowed to use a prong collar to train dogs, liability concerns etc? I think it was Wales, weren't they talking about training dogs to hit people instead of biting them? On the London radio show the other day hosted by Nick Ferrari, I was told they were debating the complaints that police dogs were trained in German instead of English. Not sure what the extent of the debate was, but I would hardly think the dogs trained language should be a priority if the dog is a good dog. Learning 6 words isn't the end of the world

Spot on. The training is all about ACPO guidelines (read RSPCA) money and getting as many dogs through as possible. From what I understand they re-certify once a year and have a little refresher training. Most of the onus is on the handler to maintain standards. So you give a Mal to a lazy or uneducated handler, and they'll never do too well.

The 'German' dogs were imported because one force was having difficulty sourcing good GSDs, as the don't have a breeding program. The standard of gift dogs wasn't as high as they'd hoped (surprise, huh?) I think a lot of it was media hype - they could re-train 'English' in about 10 mins!

I've worked alongside GSDs, Mals and Rotts, and all have been excellent example of how working dogs CAN be. The Rotts have the presence to 'quiet down' many problems before they start. The Mals look a bit small first off - until they're hanging off your arm! And they're bloody fast too.

There's pros and cons too all of them - and I'm not sure which breed I'd choose if I had the choice. I'd just want the best dog!

Back to our OP - I think he would be best advised getting to know a bit about all the breeds, before deciding on just one.

the post is a bit old but i havent been on in so long anyways ive had and trained dobie my entire life there are still some strong lines out there that can work ppd good look up french lines and you will come across a good dobie also there a hand full of german lines out there that are still good for ppd stay aways from most of these crappy euro lines with a bunch of IPO1's that buy there tittles just search for some repected french and german line you'll get what u pay for trust me

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hello Dennis Carrion,
if you still looking for a dobe that can do ppd, check this bitch and her son/daughter in aust ,it have been imported from sweden (briska kennels) out here in aust we dont have that much ipo clubs as they are trying to band ipo here ,so what we train is security and ppd,any way its on youtube under vonchienloupkennels-videos
check yra,arrow,azza (ej and case to young bitches),goodluck and have fun.