People that use multiple collars on the dog are not using them all at the same time. Dogs trained this way understand that each location means something different. One collar stim might mean go foward. Another means bite, another means out, or to turn left or right, etc. Since the stim amount can be done very low, it can be as low as a 'nudge'. I don't train with this level of finesse with the collar, but do know some people that do.
Thats pretty cool! I think "finesse" describes that pretty well.
With the resume that you posted you can stick e-collars wherever you want for all I'm concerned.
RobbinMann Webboard User Reg: 12-19-2006
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People that use multiple collars on the dog are not using them all at the same time. Dogs trained this way understand that each location means something different. One collar stim might mean go foward. Another means bite, another means out, or to turn left or right, etc. Since the stim amount can be done very low, it can be as low as a 'nudge'. I don't train with this level of finesse with the collar, but do know some people that do.
Why train this way though? Seriously, I'm not opposed to using an ecollar. I have used them before in the past on my own dogs. However, what type of dog or what type of situation would entail using so many collars? When did giving verbal commands get replaced by hitting a dog in different body spots by an ecollar? If one collar means something different to the dog, why not use a different command rather than a hit w/an ecollar? Are we talking only vibration or sound hits or are we talking shocks?
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Some people prefer the waist collar over the neck collar because it doesn't interfere with the dogs breathing. And some dogs will just clamp down and "bear" a collar correction, where as a waist or tail collar will make them let go to turn around and look at where the correction is coming from.
So, what I gather from this statement is that there is so little control over the dog that he/she will not let go or stop whatever they are doing on a command but have to be hit with a stim in order to make them disengage? Is this a correct assumption? If so, is this a dog that is considered stable? Putting a collar around the dogs waist seems so very extreme to me.
I don't mean to seem arguementative but I am confused on this subject.
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There are two units on one collar, both are working off the same remote. IMO this gives a more consistent amount of stim, with the collars not having to be on quite as tight, because there are more contacts. With just one unit on the collar, sometimes it would have more contact with the skin then others, unless I strap it really snug, and the dog recieves different stims even though the setting doesn't change. The level of correction the dog recieves is based on how high the dial is turned, not wether there are one or two units on the collar. I have a dog who I almost never use the collar on, but she still wears the two unit one. I like that with the two collars the vibrate is also more noticable when the dog is working.
Could you just increase the level of stem on the neck collar instead of using the belly collar? If the dog doesn't stop what they are doing when you correct them, you aren't using a strong enough correction, right?
Welcome!Quite impressive, your hobby ..(esp.for a trainer with little experience) and all the training you have done so far. You say you are a computer programmer, full time? I wonder where do you get all the time to train all those dogs, what is your secret?
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Wow did not mean to open a can of worms here. I like that pic for the intensity of it. Working dog pictures in general have the "aww" affect for me. Didn't even think about the collars as I've seen it before and having had a hard dog that was capable of completely ignoring level 100 stim (once just sniffing a females urine) I can understand it. I agree this convo should be taken elsewhere and see the new thread, just wanted to mention I didn't intend to stir the pot!
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