OK, now that I'm making progress on the pulling, time to address the submissive peeing. At first I didn't think much of it, but now he's 14 months old. Here are the situations he sometimes does it-
When you gush all over him.
When some males pet him.
If you order him into into the kitchen.
Obviously, I can tell people not to gush all over him. But the other day, he peed in the car as i went to grab his leash and take it off. I don't think we are overly harsh with him.
He seems to be a dominant dog- he barks at me, he pushes himself on me, etc. I'm working on the ground work and these issues. But, how can he then be a submissive pee-er. Does it mean he is going to turn into a fear biter? He seems a bit nippy for his age.
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Leslie, dominant dogs don't submissively pee. You likely don't have a dominant dog Barking at you is likely something he learned that gets your attention, same as pushing himself on you.
Don't bend over him. Don't allow others to bend over him, not even to pet him. Bending or leaning over a dog is a dominant action. Do fast movements towards him trigger it? Does he tend to roll or try to lie down or does he do it standing?
When you "gush all over him" are you leaning over him, have your arms around him?
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Also, is there any chance that there is a UTI?
Probably not, since there seems to be a clear pattern, but I always mention it if there's any dribbling. Not a good thing to go untreated.
Real submissive peeing is something I try not to trigger. Knowing the mechanisms would mean that I would not allow them to happen.... and I'd work on the dog's confidence, too, with regular very upbeat motivational training sessions and loads of bonding with me, his very calm and matter-of-fact pack leader.
BTW, refusing to reward attention-getting behavior is good; reward behavior that you DO want.
I don't gush over him- I know better. I did a search on the site months ago and after reading I was expecting it would just go away when he got older if we stopped triggering it as best we could. Yes, it's males leaning over him. I would like to say that I could stop that 100% but as I have teenagers in/out of the house it's not always easy to control. He does it standing or he doesn't try to roll over. I was very surprised he did it with me the other day, since I know the triggers. Maybe it was the quick movement towards him. Other than minimizing the triggers what can you do?
It seemed counterintuitive to me that he was a dominant dog who was a submissive pee-er, but he's so pushy and nippy sometimes, I was confused. Working on better bonding with me and more positive motivation. But, guess I still need to be a stronger pack leader.
Started working with a new trainer yesterday and we had some positive results.
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Barking at you is likely something he learned that gets your attention, same as pushing himself on you.
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