Unfortunately, and you can check with people on the board. One thing I don't do is exaggerate or suger coat. It happened exactly like I said.

The only other thing, if I didn't mention it. I was down with one of my 'lower' end drive pups. I was sitting in a chair. Had him on leash. The 'helper' made a quick move towards my guy. He didn't flinch looked the guy in the eyes took two steps towards him, urinated while watching the guy. Then kicked up his scent. The 'trainer' says..."I think we scared him"

Yeah Todd,
I've have had problems trying to find a good dog trainer/helpers for Personal Protection work.

One had a video of an Officail obedeince trail showing Rottie that he said he'd work. He also had Video of him working a White GSD in bite work. Along with some dog training that he had done with an law enforcement agents.

His card read "All Breed protection service, don't let some trainers tell you that your breed of dog can't be taught to be a protection dog. My training program can turn any dog into a protection dog."

He had some fair ideas about teaching how the heel, the long line worked great. But in teaching the left turn (while heeling on lease) he used the technique to knee the dog hard if he didn't turn left when you turned. I've talked to other trainer and they didn't bad mouth him, but said that kind of complusion when teaching the heel is un-neccessary.

I've had some breed dependant trainers who tried to talk me out of using a GSD. By stating that for Top level personal protection training I need to use either a Rotties, American Bull Dogs and Pitt bulls dogs is what they recommend. We just had a litter and they are for to sell. They made mention that the Malinois was too small, for real PPT.

A long with training video tapes of some their successful candidates, working Ob and bite work. They also had video of young GSD/Mals going into avoidance. They spent more time trying to sell a dog, then train mines.

I finally got some good help from a friend that referred an excellent PPD trainer. Three dogs and five trainers ago, now I just use Darrell. You find someone that works and stick with it. He will say that there a lot better trainers then him out there, he constantly learning things through seminars etc.

A constant student of his trade, I hope to follow in his foot steps, some day.

Richard
Sorry for taken a insert and building a theroy on it. After reading your correct to the insert, I understand the points you were making and like the dictionary you are right (don't get tired of that). <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> We enjoy your seemly infinite wisdom, you probably don't cook well though.

The Giant seems to be a great pet/protection dog,
he doesn't seem to have a never problem just too much defensive drive for liking as a Personal Protection canidate? Is the female a Giant also, and in your opinion why are they not more popular in Protection/Guard/Police work here?

I've seen them do bite work, they actually throw most decoys to the ground. Is stamina a problem as it is with Rotti, during it's short tour as the next great Police/working dog. Don't get me wrong I like Rotties, there great dogs, just hard to train then the GSD.

Giants are great PP candidates, they also make good PD candidates. They are probably not quiet as good at SchH as some other breeds. They are not usually used in PD work because of the grooming involved (in addition to certain predijuces......er preferences). They can be a handful and I woudn't recomend on to a beginer. They tend to have some rank issues and that can create some real problems. If you can get through te first 2 years you have it made.

The other big problem is finding working dogs. The thing that they are being bred for in the US is the Conformation ring. There are a few people that breed for work, but the vast majority are bred for conformation. The conformation dogs have some issues with thyroid disease. The temperament is going down hill too.

Richard - I have a picture and article from an
old RCMP quarterly magazine (Oct 42) that shows PSD Cliffe von Wilsona Reg No N115 - he would probably give the conformation show people fits but he has a glare on him that could peel paint.
My Dad said he was a very good PSD and a very tough dog.

I'll bet it has a short wirey coat, not much furnishings on the legs. This is the German type called a hard coat. They are better to work with in the working situation because the coat is easier to care for than the soft or medium coat.

Yup - the article gives his weight also - 78 lbs.
Too bad they they had to try and "improve" on the original.