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Re: Heeling toward the loose leash on an adult dog
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#20514 - 11/14/2001 09:44 AM |
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Actually Chuck, You are about right. LOL
I don't have the luxury of using the prong collar with this dog, as it is not mine.
I find the gentle leader controls the walk but doesn't teach anything. This is why I have devised a method to turn it into a correction. Of course without breaking the poor dog's neck. The dog hates it, so if he walks nicely, there is no pressure except for the flat collar and leash. To take a look at the gentle leader here is the website http://gentleleader.com/about/about.cfm
The owners have expressed that they are very pleased with how he is behaving now. It's amazing what some good exercise and consistancy will do. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Heeling toward the loose leash on an adult dog
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#20515 - 11/14/2001 11:12 AM |
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Phyllis,
Good posts. Good luck.
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Re: Heeling toward the loose leash on an adult dog
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#20516 - 11/14/2001 11:29 AM |
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Phyllis,
On one of the other lists I am no there is some discussion about the "gentle leader" halters. One of the things pointed out is that they can be dangerous. They have led to some deaths in dogs. The harness can put too much pressure on the C1/2 vertebra and cause a broken neck. Unfortunately no one can find an article reguarding this problem. There are some other negative articles on these halters. You may want to re-think it's use. If you are going to use it make sure you can dump it if you need to if the dog tries to break away.
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Re: Heeling toward the loose leash on an adult dog
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#20517 - 11/14/2001 11:42 AM |
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Hi Richard, Thanks for the heads up.
I hadn't heard that, but I'm not big on the leader myself. This is one of the reasons that I use 2 leashes. One connected to the flat collar and the other to the gentle leader. I only guide gently using my voice, lots of praise and hotdogs. I can drop that leash in a heartbeat and stick with the flat collar if he began pulling hard. He is heeling much better than before, I hope I will soon be able to focus on the flat collar and treats only.
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Re: Heeling toward the loose leash on an adult dog
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#20518 - 11/16/2001 08:00 AM |
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I am having sort of the same problem with my WGSD. The only differece is that he will freeze when he starts sniffing certain trees. He could sniff and lick that same spot for hours!!! I feel terrible when I have to correct him and I don't want him to think of me as a threat. Do you think that feeding the hotdogs only when the dog is close will fix this over time?
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Re: Heeling toward the loose leash on an adult dog
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#20519 - 11/16/2001 08:14 AM |
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Hi Christopher, I don't worry about corrections as long as they are immediate and what follows is positive. The dog shouldn't equate you to the negative. What you want to do is make all of your interactions very positive. You can use treats, a prey item, your voice, petting, moving in a different direction at a different speed, all of the above. This way the dog will see you as positive and learn that the behaviour causes the correction. Doing what he is suppose to causes fun and interaction. Now having said that, there will be times when you 'release' him to do what he wants. My dogs get the 'release' after a training session. They have something to look forward to and can act naturally, sniff, lick and play then. The key is to give them what they need and want, but also let them know that it is on your terms. At least that's the way I'm looking at it. I hope this makes sense and is helpful.
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Re: Heeling toward the loose leash on an adult dog
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#20520 - 11/16/2001 08:45 AM |
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In addition to what Phyllis said, give a "leave it" command with the correction. Once this is established you can anticipate things that will interest him and give the command prior to the dog breaking on his obedience.
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Re: Heeling toward the loose leash on an adult dog
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#20521 - 11/16/2001 09:37 AM |
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Great advise but can I just throw in an alternative. Again. A dog lags or forges because what's over there is more fun than what is over here. YOU and only YOU must be the center of your dog's universe. My 4 month old pup will come under level 8 distraction. Kai von Leerburg has only received two corrections in his life. Both were for house training. Does that mean the above advise in wrong. No. It is just not the only way training. You must choose what’s best for you.
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Re: Heeling toward the loose leash on an adult dog
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I received a few emails on what my definition of house training was and to explain the two times I corrected my pup. I use the word house training for all training outside of SchH. And the two times I corrected him was once for potty training and once for car chasing. The later I came to realize was do to poor judgment on my part which I explain in more detail in a prior post PATIENCE NOT POWER IS THE KEY TO PUPPY TRAINING. Hope that clears things up a bit.
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Re: Heeling toward the loose leash on an adult dog
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I received a few emails on what my definition of house training was and to explain the two times I corrected my pup. I use the word house training for all training outside of SchH. And the two times I corrected him was once for potty training and once for car chasing. The later I came to realize was do to poor judgment on my part which I explain in more detail in a prior post PATIENCE NOT POWER IS THE KEY TO PUPPY TRAINING. Hope that clears things up a bit.
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