Why is defense drive ok and even desired in Protection/Unwanted in Patrol work?
Dog training is forever changing just self defense training, so it does not become staggant/stop moving forward.
But is this concept still valid, "For a dog to do police service work, serious protection or good Schutzhund work it must have soild defensive drive". Defense drive (in short)is describe in this writing as the inherited genetic drive to defend himself or handler. The saftest time to train in defense in 14 months to 3 years old, it takes mental maturity. It is the building block from prey - defense to fight drive.
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You are putting together a few different people's definintions of defense I think. That is where you are running into confusion.
A better way to say it maybe is that you don't want a patrol dog working on the edge of his fight or flight instincts. Survival instincts of fight, because your back is to the wall without escape, or run if you have a chance to escape, are counterproductive in the dog expected to seek out bad guys and engage them.
It is easy to get almost any dog to bite using that element of his defensive drives (survival instincts/fight or flight), but it is hard to get that same weak dog to go out and look for trouble.
So you want a dog that has fight drive. Or, in other words, a dog with good defensive drive, but a very high threshold for avoidance and survival behaviors (like fight or flight).
You don't want a dog that fights because he is scared, you want a dog that fights because he likes to.
You don't want a dog that fights because he is scared, you want a dog that fights because he likes to.
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Understood, I like that straight shooter analogy.
But how much defense drive should a patrol dog have, some writing like the one mention state that it is important in development of a serious patrol or protection dog. This is an article on this forum Prey,Defense, Fight Drive and Avoidance; Can I train my own Dog to in bite work?
Others writing state that defense drive is not wanted and that only Prey and Fight drive is needed to makes a stable Patrol dog and by proxy a excellent protection dog? Don Yarnall's article.
I think you may be right. Their definition is slightly different, but both seem to have successful programs so it works for them.
I take its the high threshold in defense drive determines the dogs worthiness to be a patrol dog, protection dog or watchdog? The definition has nothing to do with resluts. Gotcha.
So both ideas and interpetation is correct because the results are the same.
What about my two sceniros which would be the most desired level of Fight drive? Should the dog just do his job or should he enjoy scaring and biting the convict?
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