Quote: steve strom

The very best outcome I could see would be that it would confuse the heck out of him. I know it was just a question, but I couldnt imagine it getting any good results.

more so than another dog who has proofing done with a remote collar? sorry, im confused now. i was under the impression that proper e-collar training could be beneficial? not at all against marker training, i love the results it gets, but we've used e-collars on the big dogs for off leash work, and they aren't confused, because they understand its a correction, like a collar/leash correction is when the time for fair corrections is appropriate.

You've conditioned him his whole life by putting a collar and leash around his neck which is probably something that dogs are generaly comfortable with. When you begin with an ecollar on his neck, he already has an idea of what is being done.

Now to put it on a location that he's probably not going to readily accept and give him a stim, I think will confuse him if not panic him. The way they use them on some very driven sport dogs just isnt the right comparison for a little ob. Nothing against you using an ecollar on him, just not that way.

ok, THAT made sense, thanks.
i thought you were saying an e-collar in general would confuse him.my bad.

well, guess i will be getting a tiny e-collar. any suggestions? the only ones i've seen for the little guys are the petsafe brand, which imo are crap, i've heard nothing but negative feedback about them(inconsistant, going off late, not at all, etc).

Arent some of the Dogtras small enough?

we have 280 platinums, they are too big.
i also have an innotek smartcollar, which is also too big/bulky(this one is the box/collar that are moulded together, its weird, fits fine on a normal sized dog, not him.)

I can't speak to their quality but sport dog does make a collar for small dogs called the yard trainer.

Mallory; I wouldn't use the e-collar, positioned as you suggest, for a correction in a small dog. I am heading on a long road trip tomorrow but I will see if I can get some info on a smaller type receiver. Please share with me the personality of the dog, very important as to how I think you should proceed.
Thanks,
Roni

I know this is an old thread and dont mean to bring it back to life but possibly my experiance can help somebody out. Most people dont realise that petsafe sportdog and innotek are all the same company. I learned this by researching collars and servicable history. I wanted to correct my GSD/Mal mix not hurt him. Alot of horror storys out there combined with cheaply made collars that will fail. I went with the petsafe yard and park controller. Its lasted over 5 years changed batteries once in controller twice in coller. And its still going . . i purchased a new one with 800yrd range versus the 400yrds on my other. To help prevent a dummy moment if you buy another collar dont automtically put it on the same setting number. .. Ive only had to use static a hand full of times over the yrs but i moved homes and he was testing boundaries so i warned and recalled But he pushed the lines. Anyway you could imagine how i felt when he jerked and yelped.. I know im aware im an idiot. His other collar same brand and similar in appearance wen used he would kinda just hardly shake his head on the same setting. So anyway we also have an American Eskimo/ Pom Mix. Using a thinner collar trimmed shorter . it seems a little bulky at first but in no way weighed her down. Once she got used to it she held her head correctly and moved freely. She weighs maybe 12 -15 pounds. Put it on and play with your dog as normal. And there are alot of ways to use e collars. Between static tone1 tone2 vibe and combination of. Use what works for you and your dog. Stay open minded when researching methods. I personally use tone1 as recall and tone2 as others would use a clicker. My boy is an Alpha personality and stubborn with a pretty intence prey drive. And the e-collar honestly changed our relationship the tone breaks his focus just enough to recall. Hope this helps somebody