pack behaviour and redirecting
#349680 - 11/20/2011 12:00 PM |
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I'm confused about redirecting, it goes against pack behaviour.
I was led to belive by many posts back in the spring to redirect from nipping, yet I feel like all I did was to encourage my dog to think it was ok to bite or mouth me, which now she (from the pack behaviour e-book) feels elavated above me because she got her way from bulling me to play.
Now when I can stand to ignore her nipping, she bites harder or humps my leg.
The leg humping I have always pushed her down back on to her feet, and held her for a second or two if she keeps trying, then I get into OB, which mostly mellows her. The times it dosen't work(OB) I throw grass, snow , whatever isn,t a toy to distract her.
I know I have alot of learning to go, but the more I read the more conflicting the info seems.....
Do I now correct for the nipping/biting, keep redirecting or what?
any clarification would help.....ty
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Re: pack behaviour and redirecting
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#349695 - 11/20/2011 02:25 PM |
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She is 10/11 months, right?
She is biting/nipping and also trying to mount you?
My youngest pup, now a year and half was a mouthy monster! Didn't help that my hubby would encourage it...It took a lot of persistence and redirection (verbal correction "NO" and replacement with an appropriate toy -OR- move quickly into obedience practice).
Carrying treats on me at all times was helpful as he would bite/be rowdy at me because he wanted attention...I took that negative behavior of nipping and turned it into an win/win situation for both of us.
With mounting, Vigo went through a phase when he was younger that he wanted to mount lots of things. Verbal corrections worked fine (NO!) to stop him. He has recently tried it a few time again and he will stop with a simple no. He is also an intact male (for now...)
By the time he was 10/11 months old, he had all the basics of obedience down, making it easy to redirect poor behaviors and teach him the appropriate way to act in situations. Along with lots and lots of exercise, that is!
How much obedience has Pisa had?
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Re: pack behaviour and redirecting
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#349699 - 11/20/2011 04:47 PM |
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I'm confused about redirecting, it goes against pack behaviour.
I was led to belive by many posts back in the spring to redirect from nipping ....
Back in the spring the dog was a young puppy, right?
.... By the time he was 10/11 months old, he had all the basics of obedience down, making it easy to redirect poor behaviors and teach him the appropriate way to act in situations. Along with lots and lots of exercise, that is!.... How much obedience has Pisa had?
Humping = not OK.
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Re: pack behaviour and redirecting
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#349702 - 11/20/2011 04:47 PM |
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i will preface this by saying that I do not like to physically correct pups, but........
Now you are at a point that at 11 months old....you will most likely have to give a bit of a physical correction along with a 'NO' & then ask for a down(a more submissive position then a sit). Then you can release her & start to redirect to playing with a toy or tug.
I would keep a short line on her so that you can reach it immediately in order to correct. It has to be very fast (couple of seconds)or the dog will have no idea what you are correcting it for.
You will have to be VERY consistant with this. If you are, you should be able to stop her from doing this in a few days to a week depending on how persisstant & how hard tempermented the dog is.
If it had been done correctly when she was little it would have been easier then it will now that she is bigger & stronger. At that point you could have physically controlled the pup, given a 'NO' & happily redirected it to a toy.
The humping needs a good correction to stop at this point. That is just NOT to be tollerated at all. It is a dominant gesture & a PITA.
Again, I say this is not my first choice in fixing this.
If her OB is VERY solid...you might be able to get away with a kinda harsh sounding NO & immediately ask for a down.
Also no grudge holding after the correction...act like it never happened & be happy & upbeat with your voice & body language.
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Re: pack behaviour and redirecting
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#349707 - 11/20/2011 07:33 PM |
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How much obedience has Pisa had?
just the work I have done on her, sit,down,stand,bring, here, ous, touch, outside,pocken,yuck,
and thinking about that question I realized our ob has been pretty much in a holding pattern since spring.
not sure if it follows ob, but lots of other comands we do, climb and decend on stairs, go shop, go coop, look, watch, walk, easy, whoa, whats this,go barn,
as for exercise she does get lots.
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Re: pack behaviour and redirecting
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#349708 - 11/20/2011 07:37 PM |
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Back in the spring the dog was a young puppy, right?
yes she was, and i'm realizing I droped a ball between then and now
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#349709 - 11/20/2011 07:42 PM |
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I want to add.....
that as a 'correction' I am talking about a little tug on her line...more to distract/interrupt her present behavior/ mindset then to actually 'correct' her. That interruption will allow you to break the cycle & ask for a down & then continue from there.
I don't want anyone to think that I am advocating any kind of serious hard painfull correction for this puppy. Even for the humping. The correction, the down & turing you body to keep her from having access to jump on you & then moving along.
This is all done on a FLAT collar ONLY.
Alot easier to do then to explain.
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Re: pack behaviour and redirecting
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#349710 - 11/20/2011 07:48 PM |
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our ob isn't so solid, but I am getting her used to having a tab (short line about 14 inches) on her collar today,
She is used to wearing a prong for about 4 months , although corrections are brand new
she is also used to an e collar, as it was needed for 'yuck' flat collar corrections did nothing but lift her feet of the ground.
the humping is a pita, she wraps her front legs pretty tight, but will get a correction next time
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Re: pack behaviour and redirecting
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#349711 - 11/20/2011 07:51 PM |
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missed this one as I was typing, so more a drastraction tug on collar, not anything to motivational, I'll go that way first
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Re: pack behaviour and redirecting
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#349714 - 11/20/2011 08:01 PM |
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I have to say that its would have to be a pretty serious infraction for me to correct a puppy with a prong collar.
I would be more inclined to suggest that you use an e-collar(since you say that she has had proper e-collar training) with a VERY VERY low stim before I'd tell you to use a prong. I don't know your level of experience...but suspect, based on your posts, that it is at a level that I would not feel confortable saying that you should be using a prong for correction on a pup. JMO of course.
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