Carol Blumlein wrote 07/02/2012 02:07 PM Playing Tug #363411 - 07/02/2012 02:07 PM
Carol Blumlein Webboard User Reg: 03-29-2012 Posts: 421 Loc: Offline	Hi~ I was wondering how many of our dogs play tug. I have the Michael Ellis videos. When Ramsey was a pre-teething boy, he played tug like crazy; jumping, biting etc.. Then, we took a break while his mouth was intermittently bloody and his adult teeth were coming in. Now they are here! Beautiful, white and gorgeous! However, his actual tugging when he catches the tug, is very weak. He will chase and grab but I seem to be the only one doing the tugging. I have tried tugging soft, medium, hard. Also, running(I have a bad knee, so "moving backwards as fast as I can"). I get a good chase but still the tug is weak. He will just sit down. Any ideas?
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ian bunbury wrote 07/03/2012 01:54 PM Re: Playing Tug [Re: Carol Blumlein ] #363472 - 07/03/2012 01:54 PM
ian bunbury Webboard User Reg: 01-19-2012 Posts: 685 Loc: whistler bc ca Offline	well one of the things i just learned at ME was the idea of " players vs fighters " . some dogs are more motivated by the chase and grab and running around with the object ( players ) and some dogs don't care as much about the chase so long as they get the thing in their mouth and bite ( fighters ). base more of your your play around what your dog seems to prefer with less emphasis on the other aspect . give him a good chase with a quick out to get more chase . over time he may put more energy into his tug if he thinks it will get him more chase . also , the chase should be focussed on the object , not you , so get the object on a line so you can generate some life on it without actually having to run around . Edited by ian bunbury (07/03/2012 01:57 PM) Edit reason: added ppint dogs : the best part of being human
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Carol Blumlein wrote 07/03/2012 03:38 PM Re: Playing Tug [Re: Carol Blumlein ] #363483 - 07/03/2012 03:38 PM
Carol Blumlein Webboard User Reg: 03-29-2012 Posts: 421 Loc: Offline	Thanks for your reply Ian. I am soooo envious of your trip to ME!! Funny, I kind of figured out that he was a player. His temperament is mellow, friendly, playful and attentive. He doubt if he would be good at the sleeve (Schutzund etc.). That's fine with me. Whatever excites him. I do wonder if his teeth are still sensitive. Is that possible? They are in, but some are not quite fully developed.
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ian bunbury wrote 07/03/2012 05:08 PM Re: Playing Tug [Re: Carol Blumlein ] #363487 - 07/03/2012 05:08 PM
ian bunbury Webboard User Reg: 01-19-2012 Posts: 685 Loc: whistler bc ca Offline	easily possible . . . particularly so if he may have had some ( more that usual ) painful experiences during the teething period that may make him a bit apprehensive about getting back in the game . maybe leave it alone for a while , and when you see him getting into his own chew items with a bit more vigor , play him again . dogs : the best part of being human
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Duane Hull wrote 07/03/2012 06:54 PM Re: Playing Tug [Re: Carol Blumlein ] #363492 - 07/03/2012 06:54 PM
Duane Hull Webboard User Reg: 09-23-2011 Posts: 2692 Loc: Marrero, LA Offline	Quote: Carol Blumlein Funny, I kind of figured out that he was a player. His temperament is mellow, friendly, playful and attentive. He doubt if he would be good at the sleeve (Schutzund etc.). That's fine with me. Whatever excites him. Players excel on the sleeve. To most sport dogs, bitework is a game of tug with the sleeve, and that is how it is primarily taught at schutzhund clubs. The work is taught in prey drive. Once they learn the game, the bite becomes rewarding. Real fighters are suited for real work, and some end up working as police or military. The percentage is pbly much higher in Europe, where the ring sports were developed as standards for the development and proofing of their working dogs and breeding programs. Sadie
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Carol Blumlein wrote 07/03/2012 07:40 PM Re: Playing Tug [Re: Duane Hull ] #363494 - 07/03/2012 07:40 PM
Carol Blumlein Webboard User Reg: 03-29-2012 Posts: 421 Loc: Offline	Duane~ Very interesting. It just seems, at the moment, he enjoys the chase and holding on, to a point. I have no trouble with "out". He will hold on but doesn't really tug back too often. Maybe he's just young. Edited by Carol Blumlein (07/03/2012 07:40 PM) Edit reason: addition
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Bob Scott wrote 07/03/2012 11:39 PM Re: Playing Tug [Re: Carol Blumlein ] #363506 - 07/03/2012 11:39 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Carol, it could all be just your presentation.If he did it as a pup he should still do it. Try putting the tug on a flirt pole. There are a lot of videos on youtube on using them. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Ben McDonald wrote 07/07/2012 03:49 AM Re: Playing Tug [Re: Carol Blumlein ] #363641 - 07/07/2012 03:49 AM
Ben McDonald Webboard User Reg: 05-25-2011 Posts: 439 Loc: Lawton, OK Offline	Quote: Carol Blumlein Duane~ Very interesting. It just seems, at the moment, he enjoys the chase and holding on, to a point. I have no trouble with "out". He will hold on but doesn't really tug back too often. Maybe he's just young. He's 6 months now. I don't think it's his age either. I would go with Bob's suggestion. Take a closer look at presentation and motivational training. If you want to manipulate how much he tugs - When he grabs the tug, and does start tugging, let him "win". Over time increase the amount of tugging he has to do to "win". My 7 month old DS Leo is so obsessed with the tug, his prey drive skyrockets and will do backflips to get it. I'll let Leo pull me around so he thinks he's actually moving me, then when he gives a big pull, I exaggerate how hard he pulled and let him win. Now he'll tug for 10 minutes, if I let him, clamped onto the thing fighting the whole time. He was always like that though, I can only imagine what he's going to be like with more drive building as he gets older. We're practicing self-control too (sit&wait , and outting), which is another aspect to take into account. I would call Leo a fighter, and not a player. (When he gets frustrated he'll do the same thing to clothes, Riiiiiiiip! lol) Cassy & Leo enjoying a nap.
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Carol Blumlein wrote 07/09/2012 07:31 PM Re: Playing Tug [Re: Ben McDonald ] #363743 - 07/09/2012 07:31 PM
Carol Blumlein Webboard User Reg: 03-29-2012 Posts: 421 Loc: Offline	Hi Ben~ I just wanted to respond. He very rarely tugs back. And I do let him win. But he will hold on tight while I tug or even walk around with him. Sometimes when he tugs back, he will flop down on the ground like he wants a tummy rub. Such a silly puppy!!
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