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Yep, that's how you use the ski poles. I would think that the dog should have a foundation in that system, though. If you are not famiiar with them, you could easily create problems that you don't already have.
Yep, that's how you use the ski poles. I would think that the dog should have a foundation in that system, though. If you are not famiiar with them, you could easily create problems that you don't already have.
Silly me, I thought you were including ski poles in the grouping of things you could lay on the ground to form a chute. Didn't know you meant to hold them. I've never seen something that large used; all I've ever seen is a something maybe two to three feet long, no more than a half inch in diameter.
I totally agree that introducing any of these objects as aids needs to be done properly to make sure your dog is completely comfortable with the presence of these items and possibly being touched by them.
Personally, I've only used the chute or the platform sparingly. What works best for me is what a couple of you have already mentioned in this thread: just using my voice and body language to ask the dog to try again if he is crooked. No mark-and-reward until the picture is perfect.
Ram, I don't think you'll need to do a million reps.
One problem with the step back method is the dog can start relying on that step back as part of the behavior. I've seen dogs that were taught with that and without it just stand and stare at the handler when the command is given. The moment there is backwards movement from the handler then the dog complies. In competitions here, be it AKC or Schutzhund, that movement by the handler can mean a loss of points. If you use it then be sure to wean off of it asap because it can develop in to a bad habit for the handler also.
Ok I will. My bindi girl sits crooked when I do the front. I want to perfect this. ANd I think I am going to fade the steps back, because I do not want her to wait for the step back. I am going to begin this training with her. THis is what I will do. I will cue her to touch my hand, (she knows this very well) then I will put a piece of a post it note on my hand and we will practice touching it for awhile. Then I will put the piece of paper at the correct level on my hand or pants, not sure yet, so that when she comes up I can que her to touch. Soon she will be touching that piece of paper. Then I will remove it when she gets that down. ANd Lord willing, she will be sitting in the correct position.
Anyway, will report in. I plan on teaching her this each evening. She is really good at the finish, at heel, (left) flipping from sitting in front of me to the left side. But her front is usually always crooked. I don't think I am crooked, but I may be.
SO, will let you know how it goes.
sharon.
I just thought of another way to teach the front. Or to correct a crocked sit. I could use the mark and place it near my feet. And could train her to come in and stand on it. Then phase the mark (a piece of wood she stands on to learn to pivot) Hmmmm I will see what works best and let you know which I have the most success with. sharon
Just finished with Bindi and perfecting the front. It did not go well with the mark.
However, the touch pad worked great. I folded up a piece of paper and asked her to touch it. She is very good at the touch command. We did that for awhile, then I took had her wait and I recalled her, as she approached me I said, front and held the pad held it at her nose level. She went right for it sat and touched it, in perfect position. SO, we will continue to work on this and then fade the hands and the touch pad.
Took cody to Petsmart today, he did well. Met new people, was a little edgy but was quite proud of himself at each thing he sniffed and went up to. Will continue to work on this. Hoping to take him to training soon.
Been working on "enough" with Terra. she gets quite worked up when she barks. THen she gets excited when I send her to her mat and begins to bark. So, will keep pressing on.
Hope all your training will go well. sharon
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Quote: Bob Scott
One problem with the step back method is the dog can start relying on that step back as part of the behavior. I've seen dogs that were taught with that and without it just stand and stare at the handler when the command is given. The moment there is backwards movement from the handler then the dog complies. In competitions here, be it AKC or Schutzhund, that movement by the handler can mean a loss of points. If you use it then be sure to wean off of it asap because it can develop in to a bad habit for the handler also.
You're absolutely right, Bob. I didn't think of that because I did it subconsciously. I've conditioned myself to removing luring from training new behaviors as soon as is feasible.
It only took a few sessions to teach the dog which position I would mark for. I then quit stepping back, and instead used my bridges to communicate to her whether her position was correct or not, or if I wanted her to hold it. Now, all I have to do is give her the stink eye and she will adjust if she's crooked (or give me the stink eye if she knows she's right).
I later built on this to teach the flip finish, alternating between front and aupied, and polishing the position for each.
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I've never seen something that large used; all I've ever seen is a something maybe two to three feet long, no more than a half inch in diameter.
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