Kristin Muntz wrote 07/16/2013 06:47 AM Re: Yes, my dog WILL bite [Re: SamanthaTopper ] #380595 - 07/16/2013 06:47 AM
Kristin Muntz Webboard User Reg: 05-09-2012 Posts: 746 Loc: Offline	Would a frozen block of food keep him occupied in the crate until he learns to relax? Wow at that energy
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ian bunbury wrote 07/16/2013 07:50 AM Re: Yes, my dog WILL bite [Re: SamanthaTopper ] #380598 - 07/16/2013 07:50 AM
ian bunbury Webboard User Reg: 01-19-2012 Posts: 685 Loc: whistler bc ca Offline	" positive " in the context of operant conditioning does not mean good . it means you are adding something to the equation , in this case , a correction . punishments are used to discourage a behaviour , making it less likely to occur in the future . dogs : the best part of being human
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Ariane Gauthier wrote 07/16/2013 11:35 AM Re: Yes, my dog WILL bite [Re: SamanthaTopper ] #380611 - 07/16/2013 11:35 AM
Ariane Gauthier Webboard User Reg: 11-23-2010 Posts: 817 Loc: St-Lazare, Qc Offline	Harley had to learn to chill. If I just put him in the crate he would bounce, spin, bark and what ever annoying thing he could do. Some one had a calming protocol. I did a good part of it. But I had to tell Harley to go to bed and let him there for a long time. After he had done some exercise first. A treat did help. He now know "chill" but he still now and then go nuts and need to be told. Lucifer!
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Kelly wrote 07/16/2013 06:44 PM Re: Yes, my dog WILL bite [Re: SamanthaTopper ] #380619 - 07/16/2013 06:44 PM
Kelly Moderator Reg: 06-03-2005 Posts: 1495 Loc: Offline	Pacing, avoidance of looking at you, constantly moving his head when the body is held still by you, and spinning in the crate after that much activity makes me think anxiety- when dogs are at that level of anxiety, they aren't in a mental space to learn anything. Rescue Remedy, HerbSmith Calm Shen- even a ThunderShirt may take the edge off so that he can at least learn. I may be WAY off about anxiety, but I've seen so many high energy dogs like Mals pace, spin in the crate, and "actively avoid" and it's usually anxiety driven. Good luck, Samantha!
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Bob Scott wrote 07/16/2013 11:28 PM Re: Yes, my dog WILL bite [Re: SamanthaTopper ] #380627 - 07/16/2013 11:28 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	The crate spinning can easily become OCD. I would stop that asap. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Cathy Goessman wrote 07/17/2013 12:04 AM Re: Yes, my dog WILL bite [Re: SamanthaTopper ] #380628 - 07/17/2013 12:04 AM
Cathy Goessman Webboard User Reg: 12-03-2007 Posts: 1231 Loc: Phoenix, AZ Offline	Does he ever have to exercise self-control to get something he wants? I've dealt with an extremely spazzy lab who wanted nothing to do with people outside of them throwing his toys for him. When I first started working with him he didn't even know how to sit and had been allowed to drag people to the play room, body slam the doors open, and loudly demand that his toy be thrown. I refused to move forward, open doors, throw his toy, whatever he wanted until he practiced some self-control. I just looked for a brief moment of not driving forward at first and then later asked for a sit and then after that a sit and wait. He would still pogo while I was walking him and occasionally "dance" with his front feet when asked to sit/wait at a door but he learned to contain himself to get what he wanted.
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Tresa Hendrix wrote 07/17/2013 10:12 AM Re: Yes, my dog WILL bite [Re: SamanthaTopper ] #380632 - 07/17/2013 10:12 AM
Tresa Hendrix Webboard User Reg: 05-08-2008 Posts: 1473 Loc: Alaska Offline	Could you post a video of his avoiding you and not looking at you? A tired dog is a good dog, a trained dog is a better dog.
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SamanthaTopper wrote 07/17/2013 11:07 AM Re: Yes, my dog WILL bite [Re: SamanthaTopper ] #380636 - 07/17/2013 11:07 AM
SamanthaTopper Webboard User Reg: 03-24-2011 Posts: 779 Loc: Indianapolis Offline	There are some routines like going into/coming out of the crate or going through the doors/up the stairs to go outside/inside that he has to use self control and stay still/look like he's calm. We've been doing those from day one, and he's got it down. I have a thundershirt and I have some mild dog anxiety medication for fireworks. I'm working with the backpack and I'll give that a week to slowly take off the edge. If it doesn't work I'll wrap him up and then see if the meds might help, too. He doesn't strike me as a dog that's suffering from anxiety, but he might be good at hiding it. I'd love to stop the crate spinning. Any ideas on how I could? Once he's in there I can't stop him unless I pull him out and I can't do it when I'm asleep at night. We've started using a box fan right next to our bed to drown out any of his noise in the middle of the night. Once the lights are off he's good for a few hours but after that he's had his nap and he's ready to go again.
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Melissa Hoyer wrote 07/17/2013 07:27 PM Re: Yes, my dog WILL bite [Re: SamanthaTopper ] #380652 - 07/17/2013 07:27 PM
Melissa Hoyer Webboard User Reg: 05-09-2005 Posts: 1340 Loc: SE Michigan Offline	Two supplements that work for calming (be it for anxiety, hyperness, or what have you) - l-Theanine I use this: http://www.amazon.com/L-Theanine-Grams-1-76-Pure-FBA/dp/B0093UHQPA/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1374107084&sr=8-5&keywords=l+theanine b-complex http://b-naturals.com/by-condition-c-23/stress-amp-anxiety-c-23_5/nutripak-bcomplex-60-tabs-p-65.html?cPath=23_5 I've tried tons of stuff and find that daily doses of these work wonders. Vigo gets about 100mg of l-Theanine and one of the b-complex vitamins per day. There is something about this combo that has just leveled him out and it's been great.
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SamanthaTopper wrote 07/18/2013 10:43 AM Re: Yes, my dog WILL bite [Re: SamanthaTopper ] #380668 - 07/18/2013 10:43 AM
SamanthaTopper Webboard User Reg: 03-24-2011 Posts: 779 Loc: Indianapolis Offline	Yesterday he was a bit subdued, and this morning he wasn't spinning and seemed 'tired' even though he'd spent 10 hours in the kennel. He's either not feeling well or the pack is helping and things are clicking in his head. He doesn't have any physical signs that he's feeling ill and nothing has changed in his diet/environment.
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