hello I have a Dogtra 1702 that is about 10 years old. I have replaced the batteries once in its life and appear to need to change one of the receiver batteries now. In the past I used it to proof recall and downstay on a fairly limited basis in the context of positive marker training. I use it now for a very sensitive old dog who periodically compulsively eats vegetation with serious medical consequences. She is an 80 lb. dog (Beauceron) and responds to a nick at 18/127 like it was a thunderbolt...and she is not eating grass since...
my question is how much evolution has there been in dogtra electronics since then. Is the 1902 any different? is the "Educator" likely to be a gentler alternative for an old sensitive dog?
I want to be able to correct her if she gets compulsive about grass eating...after her recent surgery to remove dry grass that had blocked her stomach and intestines.
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Our very unscientific comparisons have actually consistently shown that dog's respond at lower levels of the Educators than the Dogtra. I worked a dog today that is at 20 on a Dogtra and 10 with an Educator.
I work my older soft boy on an Educator and I've gone as low as 5 with him. I would feel comfortable using it on pretty much any dog. I feel that it has plenty of adjustment range for the softer dogs.
I sympathize with the compulsive grass-eating. I have an older female with similar habits. I expect most dogs to nibble on grass once in a while, but this one tears up whole clods of turf -- grass, roots, dirt and all -- and swallows them. It's caused digestive problems for her, too, though, thankfully, no obstructions so far. Short of not allowing her in the yard at all -- clearly not an option -- the e-collar is the only thing that works.
You say she responds to an 18 out of 27 like it was a thunderbolt, and you're looking for a gentler alternative. Your collar being a Dogtra, I'm sure it has a vibration-only pager feature. So I'm curious to know, how does she respond to a lower setting or even just the pager function?
I would describe my dog as sensitive and soft, and the pager function is all I need 99 percent of the time. I'm using a Sport Dog, which is a smaller and lighter collar than the Dogtras I have seen, and the pager function on that model is an audible beep.
18 / 127 18 is barely perceptible on skin. She is 12.5 years old. when as a much younger dog we worked around 25 with almost no reaction. so the reaction is more psychological. the old girl worries more, I think.
in the past I've found the dogs were more alarmed by the vibrating pager than the very low stimulation.
at the moment she has stopped eating grass and possibly it is due to the correction. she is a very amenable dog. thanks for comments Cheri and Cathy.
I guess I am primarily interested if Dogtra's electronics have kept pace with the Educator. Dogtra on the one hand has new products, and on the other has kept the original design of many of its products. I'm curious if the electronics inside have changed over the years.
I certainly am getting good use out of the 1702 which has been a good product.
Cheri I hadn't given much thought to a tonal signal as a feature. She is always within hearing and I use "no" as a marker to signal absence of reward or punishment. I'm not sure the tone gives an advantage over voice for me.
Andrew, my mistake. I read your OP as 18 out of 27, and I now realize you actually said 18 out of 127. (Guess it's time for computer glasses.) So, yes, you are indeed using a very low setting already.
In addition to my Sport Dog, I also have a Dogtra 1200NCP, which is probably older than your model. It has the vibration-only feature. It's been my experience with the two collars that I much prefer the audible beep over the vibration for the particular way I'm using it. I have a large yard, and even if I'm quite a distance from her, the beep going off right next to her ear is very effective but still seems less worrisome to her than the vibration collar.
Sorry I can't answer any of your questions about the newer electronics in the various models. Just wanted to share my experience with a frustrating, compulsive, addicted, vegetation-eating dog!
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