Well just in reply to you Reineer, I would just like to ask a question.. Who are you saying has no experience with protection training? You make a statement that in South Africa we don’t do Schutzhund? Do you know we have a team competing at the worlds for the last 7 years? And over 50 dogs competing at our National Trials, under international judges and helpers? Have you seen any German imported working line dogs? DO you know that the American police have bought dogs from me? And yes I have seen a lot of Olderhill dogs doing protection, as I have been involved for 20 years, they are pure bags of nerves whether you like it or not. I would just like to know what you do and also where you are based? Because if you are in the police and based at Pretoria, I wonder if you know what you are dong? As reported in the news a few months ago a dog was beaten to death with a steele pipe in training, it would'nt retrieve!!!! Such a basic exercise and the dog had to die? Maybe you should come and have a look at our dogs and see, you will see a marked difference in them when you compare them. Even puppies! Drive, confidence, aggression and a will to work. Then again I would never sell any dog of mine to the SA police!
P.S. A friend of mine was just over in England went to that police department and they never heard of olderhill dogs, they have been using German working lines with great success since 1993.

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Ho Ho HO Well, Robyn – if the shoe fits wear it – if Olderhills sell like sweet cake, well then maybe it is because some one knows good working dogs from good useless titled dogs. I have trained a lot of them, titled and non titled. And it always falls back on how the dog was raised, titles or no-titles I am the Commander of the largest Metro Police K9 unit in South Africa –EMPD. And why do I detect some animosity against my kin, the SAPS and k9 Cops. That’s why we deal with professionals that breed what we want and prep them the way we want; I am not interested in titles, titles are for walls, that I would like to keep human faces, dead ones from hanging, that’s my title, saving a life, finding a substance, I could not care about titles – who does? In the police anyway, if the dog has the drives and the temperament he’s mine. I have zero titled dogs here of the 79 in total. I am interested in temperament and consistence. Funny how THE Guy’s from Oldrhill never feel it necessary to bad mouths any other breeder, maybe its because they do not stand behind the door. Why do you feel you have the right to do it, when I have never heard or seen you compete and when no one in the Police Dog fraternity even knows your name? As far as you not selling to us, well that’s vain, but then again it explains why Olderhill is selling because they have nothing to hide. Their dogs sell, and will keep selling and Btw. I pay her more for untitled dog that what your most expensive titled dog sells for- guaranteed, and I have been through the Pets Talk magazine, and I have never seen you?, under what name do you go?. I hate aggressive dogs with hot temperaments, they have no place in a police environment, I want a cool gentle dog, which can deliver on demand – my Olderhill. That does not stand and shiver likes a cold kid blue in the face with his jaws slapping together. As for Schutzhund – well-well good for you, maybe you guy’s should promote your selves better, I only know of Frikkie von Kraaienburg that is competitive in Germany and that has a actual credible name here –and with us. But good for you, so I stand corrected, I apologize. I will re-phrase. Schutzhund is almost non existent in South Africa as a dog sport only rich breeders can afford to go oversees to have their dogs graded for breeding purposes and not true working my friend. SAWDOS (The South African Working Dog Open Stakes) now that is a big event, and it is the only truly competitive ring we have here for local working dogs(police dogs, military, security and private concerns) ,where one can come and judge a working dogs performance, against other “actual” working dogs. Ps. a friends of mine tell me that you have never been able to sell any dog to any police agency ever, and you have tried darn hard I believe –Why is that you might think? As for the poor dog dieing, well I can’t talk for them, phone them ask them your self. Talk about prejudice. So all cops with dogs are in the same category now, come on get a real job, that office is messing with you, so you mean to tell me when you get assaulted in your house tonight, and a K9 cop is first at your door, you will first question his training methods –lol. Maybe you should come and have a look at well trained dogs your self, it might change your life, and yes I will show you the “nervey”olderhills as well. I bet you R100, you wont stand in the suite for one of them “nervey” “palvo ridden”, badly bred, wolf hybrids, with their relaxed natures with no aggression that grow up with pot belly pigs –that are very cute by the way-. Come on, it can’t be much of a challenge for a Schutzhund champ like your self; it should be a walk in the park. Then you can come and give the board first hand feedback. I would really like that. This way I wont have to type this much.

The only reason you don't know who I am as you are so clad in your own little world. And if you never heard of me, how do you know where I have sold dogs. I have sold more than a few overseas to American police and other demining and such! As for my dogs maybe you should not judge before you see, that is typical Afrikaans way of thinking. Quite frankly I have seen your so called working champoinships, there are no true full hard grips, no fast attack and no true quality. But I bet you have not been to watch the Schutz nationals. You do not seem to know much about the Federation Reineer. You do not have to take a dog to Germany to get a grading for breeding or a title. The german judges and like come here. And yes I have competed, at Nationals, my dog was the only dog to pass his protection in ScHH for the first three years we had international helpers here. (i.e. Robby de Jonge) And yes I even won the IPO3 Nationals here in 1999. But my surname has changed since. And no I would not sell a dog to the SA Police. I am not vain, I have seen them tied to the fence and being beaten, for the ones that come out they stay the ones that don't, well they get sold at auction for what sometimes R 300, thats about $50.
I respect our police force a great deal, I just think thay are living in the dark ages when it comes to training service dogs.
As for this conversation, I do not see that it will go anywhere, as you have no idea on my dogs and I reserve the right to my opinion!

Ok, this was ORIGINALLY about a pup weight/size question. If you two want to banter on- do it in PM.