**DONOTDELETE** wrote 09/10/2001 05:33 PM Re: Testing fight drive in a young dog [Re: David Kahts ] #39363 - 09/10/2001 05:33 PM
**DONOTDELETE** Webboard User Reg: 12-31-1969 Posts: 1003 Loc: Online	As far as breed worthiness goes, do you think all working dogs should be capable of fight drive?
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Pete Felknor wrote 09/10/2001 06:02 PM Re: Testing fight drive in a young dog [Re: David Kahts ] #39364 - 09/10/2001 06:02 PM
Pete Felknor Webboard User Reg: 07-13-2001 Posts: 495 Loc: Deerfield, WI Offline	No, because some dogs really do not require the genetic capacity for fight drive to be happy, healthy animals. I think the best example might be the "prey monster" sport dog that loves participating in dog sports, but would be slow to recognize a real threat. Not every dog is cut out to be a "real" protection dog, or to be trained into fight drive, any more than every kid should be taught how to kick-box. There is room for more "artistic" canine temperaments too, if you will pardon a poor adjective. Good example of uses for a working GSD with good steady nerves that may NOT be capable of developing fight drive: therapy dog, assistance dog, drug dog, SAR dog. I think you get my drift. But do I think that passing on the genetic capability to develop fight drive in dogs is a worthwhile goal for a GSD breeder? Yes indeed. Just bear in mind that there will always be plenty of dogs that do not have this capability, and no one should get the idea that such dogs are useless. Pete Felknor
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Vince P. wrote 09/12/2001 01:17 PM Re: Testing fight drive in a young dog [Re: David Kahts ] #39365 - 09/12/2001 01:17 PM
Vince P. Webboard User Reg: 07-13-2001 Posts: 1050 Loc: NJ Offline	Peter: I have to disagree. Most top trainers want a dog with fight drive because they are easier to control and out. What's your thoughts?
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Pete Felknor wrote 09/12/2001 02:22 PM Re: Testing fight drive in a young dog [Re: David Kahts ] #39366 - 09/12/2001 02:22 PM
Pete Felknor Webboard User Reg: 07-13-2001 Posts: 495 Loc: Deerfield, WI Offline	Vince-- I think you sort of answered yourself when you said "top trainers"--which I certainly am not! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> . I agree with Kevin Sheldahl (I think it was Kevin) that there are probably more dogs out there with the genetic capability of developing fight drive than people think they are. HOWEVER I have watched the steps that are necessary to successfully develop this drive in a dog, and I think you would agree that many SchH training directors may have an imperfect understanding of how to develop the drive and/or are unwilling to spend the time to do this work with any but their most promising handler/dog teams. If the team isn't going to wind up at the Nationals, it may be a kind of "why bother" scenario in the TD's mind. Also, of course, the club must have a helper(s) with an advanced understanding of defensive drive and defensive threshholds. I could go on, but I'm sure you can fill in the rest... Pete Felknor
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Vince P. wrote 09/12/2001 04:04 PM Re: Testing fight drive in a young dog [Re: David Kahts ] #39367 - 09/12/2001 04:04 PM
Vince P. Webboard User Reg: 07-13-2001 Posts: 1050 Loc: NJ Offline	Pete: Ok. I'll accept that answer. Especially the lack of helper experiance.
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**DONOTDELETE** wrote 09/12/2001 04:49 PM Re: Testing fight drive in a young dog [Re: David Kahts ] #39368 - 09/12/2001 04:49 PM
**DONOTDELETE** Webboard User Reg: 12-31-1969 Posts: 1003 Loc: Online	Thanks Pete. I understand what you mean.
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