Hi all,
I have a5 year old GSD that i have been training for personal protection from when he was a 10 week old pup.
My problem with hin is he don't like the bite sleeve with the bite bar, or the all leather sleeve. all he wants is the pupy bite sleeve.
if the helper pupts on the leather or the bite bar sleeve he will go in for the bite but will leave it strait away.
can anyone help.
regards
mike sampson
UK
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003
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Mike,
If the dog has been getting bite training for almost five years it's going to be very difficult to change any pattern or preference that the dog has established by now.
I'm assuming that if you're training personal protection that you're doing mainly muzzle work and hidden sleeve work, right?
Since a sleeve that the dog can see is *not* part of PPD training, you should consider it a game for the dog - the dog certainly does.
If your dog has a deep, full bite but releases quickily , you don't have a major problem for a PPD as long as he re-engages immmediately with another strong bite. Is this what your dog is doing?
If you're doing just sleeve work, I hate to be the one to break this to you, but you're *not* training a PP dog. Sorry, but that's the truth.
Will I think if he is training Sleeve and civil then he is training a personal protection dog without really testing the dogs willingness to bite wherever, with bite suit.
Some training facilites don't have the funds for the expensive body suit so they train hidden sleeve, civil and muzzle. I agree the body suit is the sure fire way to test if the dog will bite any part of the body not just the arm or leg.
If the dog will not bite the hard sleeve make sure there is nothing wrong with his mouth. Back up your training to build up aggression, by flanking him with the light weight stick, then let him have a bite. If he hittiing with a full bite and tears into the sleeve fights and release.
Try to get the decoy to lower the sleeve and continue the fight into the dog.
I'm sure you may get some other ideas here. But I'm shcoked that your decoy/trainer hasn't tried to fix this, before the dog was five.
When the decoy agitates the dog will he re attack the sleeve or ignore after tasteing leather.
REINIER Geel Webboard User Reg: 01-12-2003
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Hi Don and Will, very valid arguments you have made, well a five year old is not yet an old dog in my opinion, so you can still teach him new tricks so to speak.
The basics are:
• Check the teeth yes, and if fine well then some dogs just don’t like the hard arms period. So get harder and harder surfaces to bite into, until he is on to your game.
• Build good aggression, pray drive, fight – this is where the “back it up” will come in for me; I will start from scratch and see where he starts slipping.
• I will work the dog up on two feet and then off his feet rather than work into the dog to get him to bite harder into the arm.
• And then only introduce a harder arm, we have intermediate arms here and then hard and then the one’s with the bite bar
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