I think the bare minimum you need for starting a decent SchH club is the following:
1) A reliable place to train;
b) At least one good-to-excellent helper;
c) A TD with the ability to train other people how to train dogs (doesn't matter if they have been in the Nats ten times if they can't communicate with their membership, or if all they can manage to do is yell and belittle).
Richard Pastucka has a breeding kennel under the name "Von Holzland." I'm not sure how many litters he has had or if he is still breeding German Shepherds. -Greg
In the earlier part of the thread, someone mentioned that its good for novices to take on an already trained dog and learn from that.
My own situation is that, I'm as novice as it comes as far as Schutzhund and I have a dog that I think is pretty great (yeah, sure, I'm bias). His co-owner is an experienced trainer. Should I send the dog to the co-owner to be trained all the way to Schutzhund 3 .... try and title the dog myself (I don't think that'll happen)...or have the co-owner get the dog to a Schutzhund I and I work the dog from there?
My boy really is a very promising dog and I'd hate to ruin all his chances at a title, but I have to learn some time. Opinions?
It really comes down to what your goals are. To just get the dog a title, earn a title together and learn what is what, or show the dog after it has been trained to the best of your ability.
I have goals for him, which would be to get to a schutzhund 3. Goals for myself are to learn the sport and learn more about handling and training as I get more into the sport. So which comes first? Right now he has no bad habits as far as I know, he's a clean slate. I could just get his titles out of the way or partially out of the way before I really work with him because its inevitable that I'm going to be making a lot of handling errors.
In this thread a lot has been written about handlers buying a schutzhund-3 trained dog and then handling it in the higher competitions like its their own work ... is it possible for a dog to switch to a new handler without needing re-trained in every aspect? or is each dog different when it comes to which handlers they work with?
It would be my view if you have someone that you can train with that has titled dogs in the past, then if this person could help guide you and your dog, you will be better off, and learn alot more by taking this route. Remember that being you are green, it will take longer to earn the titles then someone else that has been around for a while. Good luck.
The bond you build, the experience you gain and the skills you learn while training your own dog is incredible. Not necessarily from a 8 week old puppy up.. but taking a year old dog with no training.. you know it's health is good ,, it has what it takes.. etc. Sure you will make mistakes.. we all do.. but when you get your first Sch 1 title.. you will have a grin on your face! I have taken on one dog that was Sch 1 when I got him.. he happened to have great training.. so he was not difficult to take to a Sch 2 and 3.. however.. if you buy a dog with bad training.. it can be harder to fix old training than to put new training on a dog.. I have put 3 Sch 1's on mediocre dogs.. 2 Sch 3's on good dogs.. and now I am working towards a Sch 1 on a nice little bitch.. The training is a blast.. and if you put the time in.. the trialing will be fun too.. whether you win or not. You learn more with every dog you train..
So.. my vote is to take the time and learn how to train your own dog.. it is fun.. and very rewarding..
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In my opinion a club is a group of people who get together to enjoy a common interest. A club is not some guy charging beginners $10,000.00 to title their dogs. Thats a business not a club.
I know of a club in Northern IN (no names) where the owner charges @ $300.00 a month for training and then tries to convince the members that it is indeed a club ( NOT !!) This is a business and nothing more. It's an example of a guy who had some sucess in the sport and trying to capitolize on this sucess. Nothing at all wrong with this if you call a spade a spade. But don't call it a club - its not a club.
The fact is who are we to complain. These people who go to places like this are not blind sheep - or are they. :-)
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