Originally posted by Lee Baragona - Sch3FH2:
I'm not very political so don't keep up too well with that stuff, but I'd swear that option to become an LG was proposed, investigated and shot down convincingly by the SV several years ago. Yep. That was at least 4 years ago. Unfortunately, I don't remember why it was shot down by SV, or whether it was even seriously considered by SV.

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Originally posted by Lee Baragona - Sch3FH2:
I'm not very political so don't keep up too well with that stuff, but I'd swear that option to become an LG was proposed, investigated and shot down convincingly by the SV several years ago.

I think you are right, but remember, that there is a new "Government" over there, so.........who knows what can happen now.

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Originally posted by Renee Felknor:
My concerns are purely practical--I was planning to title my puppies at a WDA trial this fall and now I'm not so sure. Do you have any idea as to when SV may reach a decision?

The 2003 WUSV World Championship is Oct 1-5. The WUSV will have to decide before that time whether or not the WDA team will represent GSDCA. I suspect that they will agree to this. Partly because of past precedence, and partly because in their negotiations with GSDCA and WDA, USA agreed to a split team, 3 from each organization. It is GSDCA's alleged failure to agree to any split that supposedly has caused USA to play hardball in return. That's what USA sez, anyway.... I dunno. I suspect what USA is doing is just a negotiating tactic, to get WUSV involved in settling this mess.

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And if AKC does accept biting sports, where does that leave USA? Basically, can you, or anyone else, give me a synopsis of what's going on, the implications, and prognosis--without prejudice?

I don't have any inside info., just stuff I've picked up from various email lists and individuals.

I personnally have doubts that AKC could supplaint USA as the largest Schutzhund organization in America. That COULD happen IF the WUSV ditches their support for USA and makes GSDCA the sole GSD representative from America on the WUSV. My impression is that it's not like the WUSV to do that though... they seem to like to keep all options open. For example, the WUSV has threatened the GSDCA to adopt the SV/WUSV/FCI Breed Standard for the GSD, or else. The GSDCA has not done this, not even close, and "or else" just turns into empty words. Politics. I don't think the WUSV (SV) wants to burn bridges with any part of the GSD community.

Laura

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Originally posted by Renee Felknor:

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Originally posted by Lee Baragona - Sch3FH2:
I'm not very political so don't keep up too well with that stuff, but I'd swear that option to become an LG was proposed, investigated and shot down convincingly by the SV several years ago.

Yep. That was at least 4 years ago. Unfortunately, I don't remember why it was shot down by SV, or whether it was even seriously considered by SV.

I don't know what the reason was. Possibly, the FCI pressured the SV not to do it. The FCI has some reciprocal agreements with the AKC, and each is to respect the authority of the other, and not play in each other's sandbox. If USA became an LG of the SV, then that would mean that the SV would be directly competing with the AKC for GSD registrations in America. Since the SV is part of the VDH, and the VDH is in turn a part of the FCI, then this could *possibly* be seen as a violation of the agreements between the FCI and AKC not to compete with each other.

Nevertheless, this is being done with at least one other breed. There is a small dachshund breed club in America that is fully a part of the dachshund breed club of Germany, the DTK. I wonder if the VDH even knows?

Regarding the "competition" angle between FCI and AKC... the status of DVG America as a part of DVG Germany might also fall into the category of a "competing" entity, if AKC adopts schutzhund as part of their Working Dog Sport.

I agree with Ed that competition is good. The question is, will AKC play all their cards, and attempt to destroy all of their competition via their reciprocal agreements with the FCI?

Laura

Thank you, Laura. That was very informative, really. I'm gonna go fix myself a stiff gin & tonic and chase it with a couple of Tylenols--or is it the other way around? :rolleyes:

It was my understanding that WDA were working with AKC on getting all this new working dog section togeather . As far as a team going any where ,i want one i do not care where it comes from . I will go where ever i need to go to get titles ,have done since NASA in the early eighties .IMHO I do not want all my eggs in one basket . SV DVG WDA USA ,there is enough of us around for everyone . Change can be good .Peter

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Originally posted by Laura Sanborn:
mess.

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And if AKC does accept biting sports, where does that leave USA? Basically, can you, or anyone else, give me a synopsis of what's going on, the implications, and prognosis--without prejudice?

I don't have any inside info., just stuff I've picked up from various email lists and individuals.

I personnally have doubts that AKC could supplaint USA as the largest Schutzhund organization in America. That COULD happen IF the WUSV ditches their support for USA and makes GSDCA the sole GSD representative from America on the WUSV. My impression is that it's not like the WUSV to do that though... they seem to like to keep all options open. For example, the WUSV has threatened the GSDCA to adopt the SV/WUSV/FCI Breed Standard for the GSD, or else. The GSDCA has not done this, not even close, and "or else" just turns into empty words. Politics. I don't think the WUSV (SV) wants to burn bridges with any part of the GSD community.

Laura

So it is a good possibilty that all that will happen is that we will have a split team to the WUSV and another organization for Schutzhund or IPO. Basically it would end up like what goes on in Belgium?

USA has voted; they will no longer acknowledge WDA titles or awards. It will be intresting to see what the WUSV and SV have to say about this, and what will happen with the American team this year.