I guess I just wondering if someone had a Dobe, Rott, APBT and knew they would never be selected for tracking usually, do you think you should still train for it, and if you just concentrated on protection training with your lines, if you did this would it help improve their ability that much?

I'm not implying these three breeds can't track. That's not my question. I don't mean they're not good enough.

Maybe you are misunderstanding what the tracking phase is showing. Yes, on the surface, it is showing that the dog will follow scent. But, it is more involved than just that. It involves commitment from the dog. It requires a HUGE amount of focus on the part of the dog as well. What good is a PP dog that has no hunt drive? No focus?

So what are you going to breed for? Nervey, sharp dogs that will alert easily? oh, wait...that is what the american dogs are...

Point made, that's why I was asking. I don't have the experience that many of you do hands on.

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There are a LOT of dogs that could never do Personal Protection or Police Protection, that do well with tracking or single purpose work, so I am gonna have to disagree with you Butch.

We are talking about PPD's not S&R. I agree that many K-9's that are fantastic at tracking are not PPD's. That's not their intended purpose. Then there are PSD taht track with the best of any K-9.

Intended Purpose is the key to what your k-9 has to be able to do!!!!!!!!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

For what purpose does a PPD need to track?? As vancamp posted, search a building, yes most should be capable of this. I demand this quality. Check each room in the home before entering, then again he may follow the track of someo0ne in my home. Then I would also want him to be a RETREIVER. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Why would your PPD have to follow the track of anyone that threatened you. That is not the intended purpose. Personnel Protection, not aggressive protection! :rolleyes:

If by chance you have a sport K-9 and cross train him then yes you could have a PPD that works a track. Same type track as laid out for Schuntzhund. I doubt it. He will have to be worked using different situtations.

Ask the PSD trainers where the washouts happen, just curious.

Butch wrote: "Personnel Protection, not aggressive protection!"

I guess that depends on your perspective Butch, I like to "lean forward" in those types of situations.

Vancamp, I agree about leaning forward, <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> but when the dogs main purpose to is protect your family when you are away, that's a different sitution. I want my dog to be Near Very Near my wife at all times. I'm sure f I was home I would put dog on whoever was a threat, PAST OR PRESENT.

The safety of your loved ones and property comes before catching the Dirtbag causing you problems.

However I do regert to this day that my dog was not trained to track!!!!!!!!!!!!

I do PP work and we do food rejection. I have not done this yet as I too would like to train tracking first. Eventually, this will be an issue, A girl I train with does SAR & PP work but she did the tracking training as a pup. Her dog will not take food or pick up food.

Brad G,
Tracking in my opinion is very time consuming, and really requires alot of your time as well as your K9. But, I happen to use tracking to relax with my partner, short tracks with a motivational reward at the end toy, sleeve etc. I find that my partner loves to track and the tail is going 100 miles an hour it seems to build his drives for other aspects of training. As far as training a PPD for tracking to me it's a plus if you do it but like others said not a requirement! If you were to use the K9 for executive protection or a person was being stalked or really in fear for their saftey and you wanted the K9 to enter the room or building prior to you entering that would be appropreate! Then you would have to teach your K9 to track from the begining, starting with a solid foundation and training onward. We have several American Staffs, in a local club and they track do hospital visits and they do schutzhund training for trials they are well socialized K9's with great dispositions. I guess it's all up to you!
Again tracking does require time, if your interested in tracking look at the tapes available from Ed, and visit clubs if you have any in your area. As far as having a tracking title to breed your K9, it's nice but not required what is required is a solid well balanced K9 with the approprate qualities required for that breed! The working aspect is a great plus and always in demand when breeding and selling K9's. Be a responsable breeder don't put more trash out there. Talk to trainers, breeders and people here on the board about any doubts or questions you may have there is alot of good people here with good advise but use what is applicable to you!
This is only my opinion and what I've seen throughout the years.
Remember there are no bad dogs only bad owners! Have fun and enjoy your training with your K9 make it fun for you and your K9 and you will have a super bond with your K9 who would do anything to protect you and your family! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Be Safe and Enjoy!

Lewis,Argo/Riley

Lewis, VERY GOOD POST!!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />