I have concern with my dog injuring himself while bouncing off walls inside his box. He is 7 mo malinois and is not what i call "stupidly hiperactive" (unlike my other dog) but will go crazy when he sees me with other dog and he has to be inside. Than the bouncing starts, and he has been limping for some days now - i assume pano - and i would not like it to get any worse because of his young joints.

He is in 2m deep and 3m wide walled concrete box. Maybe to put him in smaller box?

He does get enough excercise (swimming - don't run young dogs) but just goes crazy when he sees me with another dog (and i have to pass by his box when taking other dogs for walk).

Got the same prob with "Erika". I cover the crate so she can't see out

My girl doesn't jump around in her crate if she knows I am out there with one of my other dogs, but she makes noises like she is being tortured <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />. She can't see from where her crate is but is aware of what's going on outside because she can hear. If she could see she would probably add some body slams in too <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

So it has been a month now...

Today he yelped first time because of pain... i hate to see him like that.

Two weeks ago i took him to local vet and she said it is pano and not to worry about it (sold me some vitamines and stuff...:roll.
Last week i took him to University veterinary clinic and had him x-rayed, both elbow and shoulther: _profesor_ thold me his elbow and shoulther are clean.

Vet at University's ambulance wanted to put him on painkillers and i asked is that really nececary because that way i would not know if it really passed and could prolong his illnes. He said OK, he will not put him on anything... Was that right thing to do?
I mean his right front leg is looking weaker to me than his good one from not using it, but i would not want him to develop habit walking by not using right front foot.

I really hate to see him like that...tail always up like flagg but limping...

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... i took him to local vet and she said it is pano and not to worry about it (sold me some vitamines and stuff...:roll. ..... Vet at University's ambulance wanted to put him on painkillers and i asked is that really nececary.....I really hate to see him like that....

There are painkillers and there are painkillers. I'm giving you some URLs to discussion of this condition and what some vets say about pano and painkillers (and, btw, diet).

http://www.vetinfo.com/dencyclopedia/depano.html

http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/showf...true#Post313592

http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/dobermans/83787
(This one is about Dobermans, but it's the same ailment.)

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=2&cat=1561&articleid=466


My personal response to the painkiller question (for humans and animals) is that it's often beneficial to the whole system's healing ability if it isn't subject to the constant stress of pain. Dogs are generally of the temperament, pretty much, to endure...........so when a dog is vocal about pain, my own feeling is that it's probably more pain than it would take for me to be vocal.

Painkillers can be managed so that they are administered in the least dose which is effective: That is, enough to help but not so much that the patient is wobbly.

Also, this is an inflammation condition, and some painkillers (like NSAIDs, such as aspirin) can actually reduce the inflammation in addition to reducing the pain. Of course, their use is monitored so they don't cause intestinal distress (just like in people on NSAID treatment).

NSAID means non-steroidal anti-inflammatory.

This is all ONLY my opinion, and I'm not a professional. I have had several dogs who had health challenges, so I've read a lot. You will probably feel better when you read up and know more about it, too; it will help when you talk with your vet.

Good luck!

Hi Ivan,

You might want to try a "box" with rubber matting with holes (like in industrial kitchens) on the ground, and the walls of concrete to aprox 50 cm. high, and then made out of construction grade wire mesh (the holes in this mesh are about 15 cm. by 15 cm., and the wire diameter is about 0.5 cm.). While you rebuild perhaps put your pup in a crate?

With the mesh walls dogs can't bounce nor somersault...and when they can't bounce, they may start spinning, or biting the mesh... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Don't you just "hate" malinois? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

http://www.berger-hollandais.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=4

except that with the side walls mesh as well...

Hey Ivan...

I thought to add this...but at first I thought it was uncool to laugh at my own humor...but I really laughed. This Board is just a "little" biased, so I'm sure my suggestion will meet with considerable approval...so here goes:

GET A GERMAN SHEPHERD... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Connie,
thanks for the info, i will take him to vet again to give him something.
He is not yelping while walking or running, he yelped when he slammed into me - stupid thing wanted to play...

Andres,
i do have GSD.
showline bitch, really good only for putting holes in my mali girls. Oh and destroying that kind of construction grade iron mesh <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />