I have tried to crate train but my pup was allowed to go in it's crate on newspaper at the breeder. She paws at the crate until her paws bleed and nonstop barking. So I've stopped with the crate unless I'm leaving and take her out after eating playing sleeping and through out the night. She would usually go if she had to when I took her out but here lately she may urinate and then come inside and poo. Any help would be great or dvd's books references etc
thank u

Angela,
Have you tried giving her something to chew on while she is in the crate? And do you know if she had any bad experiences in a crate before?
My mal pup hated the small (300) crate that she was shipped in via airplane and when I put her in a wire (400 in vari kennel sizing) crate she did not throw a fit once. I am thinking that she associates the smaller crate with the flight experience which she did not like.
The wire crate allows the dog to see what is going on around them. She will go in an airline crate as long as it is not the size she was shipped in.
This is just my opinion and what worked for me. There are wire crates available that are fairly inexpensive at Wal-Mart or any big pet store chain. I ordered mine through Pet-Smart.com
As far as potty training, I had it easy. My pup was kept in a very clean environment so she did not ever go in her crate. I always made sure to take her out every chance I got plus I would take her out first thing when I got up, right after feeding and I never feed past 6 pm if I absolutley do not have to. I would also pull water by 9 pm. She is to the point now where she has her certain, "Mom I gotta go" whine and I make sure I do not let that escalate too much. I have got her to where she goes to bed at 8 or 9 pm and is in her crate til 6 or 7 am. I just kept extending the mornings by 5 minutes. Now she can wait til after the alarm goes off. The following link is a great article by Ed on housetraining your pup.
http://leerburg.com/housebrk.htm
Hope this helps a little.

Just my 10p's worth or 2 cents as you like to say <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Has she room to sleep and then 'go' elsewhere in the crate? It doesn't have to be a big space for them to go in. I found that with my pup if I give him just that little extra space he'd do it there, so all I gave him was enough space to be able to turn round in and make it 'all bed'. He then waited for me to let him out and he too makes his little whine now when he needs to go.

Get Ed's 8 weeks to 8 months vid and raising a working puppy vid. I pretty much followed it with my pup and training went like clockwork.

carol,
thank you. She was in a large crate and I put her in a small one due to a book I read about housebreaking. My husband made me take her out of the crate so he could sleep at night and of course she ended up in bed with us. I'm at home a good bit other than errands and workingout so maybe I'll be able to get her trained to going outside. Will chek out the info you refered to
Thanks for your kindness

Does she pee in the house when shes in bed with you at night?

Angela-
its the first couple weeks that are the hardest. Caving in and letting the pup sleep with you isn't the answer. My pup hated the small crate after his airline nightmare of 18 hours(he got lost), but he was okay in the large metal crate. He still cried and fussed but it wasn't the panic from the small crate, and it seemed like I was taking him out every half hour thru the night, out to potty and back in the crate, but I stuck to it and got thru it. It was exhausting, it would have helped if I could take a couple of naps during the day, but its worth it. Everywhere you read on this site a dog sleeping in your bed is a no-no, and you end up teaching your pup if it throws a big enough fit you'll give in and it wins. Keep up the reading there is alot of info here to help.
Sue

When I first got my puppy I crated her in the evenings at bed time and I racked out on the couch, wife slept in the bedroom. Later on I covered the front to block her view and she settled in much faster. The more you cave in the worse it gets. Be sure to have a consistant routine. Again I recommend Ed's vids and he explains it step by step in detail.

I haven't let a dog in my bed for years, since I ended up with a beagle stealing the covers every night. But when I got my latest pup I kept him tied to the bed post, sleeping on a towel on the floor at night. I withheld food and water in the evening. The first few nights I slept in my clothes so I could scoop him up and rush him out as soom as he whined. Within a week, he could wait all night (better then the human babies!). We were on vacation at the time, and were able to walk him very frequently during the day. He also followed the lead of my older dog. I had not yet bought a crate for him, and the crate we bought a few weeks later was too big for the bedroom anyway. He had very little trouble getting used to the crate later, when I went back to work.

no if she stirs I get up and take her out.