Geoff Goetz wrote 01/17/2007 11:42 PM Collar Conditioning #125186 - 01/17/2007 11:42 PM
Geoff Goetz Webboard User Reg: 03-04-2006 Posts: 30 Loc: Offline	Can a trainer back up and "re-condition" an e-collar wise dog using Ed's conditioning technique? For example; rotating and using multiple collars (prong, flat, e-collar and invisible fence collar) at the same time while only correcting with the prong collar for a few weeks. Then after a few weeks of putting on/taking off all of these collars many times, start using the e-collar stim again. Will the two weeks help? Any experience in this area? Thanks.
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Geoff Goetz wrote 01/21/2007 08:20 PM Re: Collar Conditioning [Re: Geoff Goetz ] #125600 - 01/21/2007 08:20 PM
Geoff Goetz Webboard User Reg: 03-04-2006 Posts: 30 Loc: Offline	Does anyone have any experience re-conditioning an e-collar wise dog? The reason I ask is that I never did Ed's conditioning, and my dog has not used the e-collar in 2 months or so due to it no longer working. When I get the new collar, I would start over per Ed's video, but just wondering if anyone has any guidance here or would I be wasting my time? Any help most apprciated. thanks
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Brad . Martin wrote 01/22/2007 08:00 AM Re: Collar Conditioning [Re: Geoff Goetz ] #125638 - 01/22/2007 08:00 AM
Brad . Martin Webboard User Reg: 09-14-2005 Posts: 587 Loc: Ontario, Canada Offline	Geoff, If you ask me once a dog becomes collar smart, they will stay that way. You could probably compare it to trying to get the dog to forget a sit command. It is VERY trickey to avoid this type of conditioning (becoming C-smart). But I have found that, once c-smart, if the various collars are used in the proper manner as to avoid a collar smart dog over a very extended period of time, then it can cause a bit of confusion in the dog as to what mechanism is correcting him. He will be aware of the collar still, but a bit unsure if the collar actually is the implement for delivery of the correction. I'd be interested in the input of others as well.
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Candi Campbell wrote 01/22/2007 11:56 AM Re: Collar Conditioning [Re: Geoff Goetz ] #125667 - 01/22/2007 11:56 AM
Candi Campbell Webboard User Reg: 02-06-2006 Posts: 696 Loc: San Francisco, CA Offline	Geoff, I sent you a PM last week suggesting that you email Ed Frawley with this question directly -- Did he respond ??? Personally, I would follow his e-collar protocol precisely as he teaches it on the DVD -- I don't think it would be a waste of your time to re-condition this dog at all & I'll be interested to see how everything goes <:-) How anyone can live without a dog is beyond me...
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Brad . Martin wrote 01/22/2007 01:52 PM Re: Collar Conditioning [Re: Candi Campbell ] #125683 - 01/22/2007 01:52 PM
Brad . Martin Webboard User Reg: 09-14-2005 Posts: 587 Loc: Ontario, Canada Offline	No, it's definately not a waste of time.. it just takes a lot longer once the dog becomes collar smart. I have been working w/ my own on this. It can be done... but I don't think that the dog will ever really be re-conditioned to be completely oblivious to the collar once they have become collar smart. I will admit that I have this experience with only the one dog and I have not viewed the DVD produced by Leerburg, on this topic. Candi, are you saying that it can in fact be done; the re-conditioning not the initial conditioning that is?
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Candi Campbell wrote 01/22/2007 03:32 PM Re: Collar Conditioning [Re: Brad . Martin ] #125708 - 01/22/2007 03:32 PM
Candi Campbell Webboard User Reg: 02-06-2006 Posts: 696 Loc: San Francisco, CA Offline	I'm saying Geoff ought to email EF and ask him this question directly, LOL -- IMHO, anyone who works their pet on an e-collar owes it to themselves & their dog/s to invest in the DVD... http://www.leerburg.com/318.htm It's a lot harder to discuss details with someone who's never watched the video at all <:-) How anyone can live without a dog is beyond me...
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Geoff Goetz wrote 02/19/2007 05:22 PM Re: Collar Conditioning [Re: Candi Campbell ] #129961 - 02/19/2007 05:22 PM
Geoff Goetz Webboard User Reg: 03-04-2006 Posts: 30 Loc: Offline	Thanks for the advise. I do own the video and actually found some great training advice for people with and WITHOUT collars. Ed's training style seems so intuitive to me, so I use it. Regarding the re-conditioning. I decided to try it regardless of what others say. I will keep you updated. Instead of getting my broken collar fixed, I am looking into purchasing a new collar. This is due to the failure of the original collar, and the failure of my "invisible fence" products by the same manufacturer within 9 months of purchase. These were seperate units, not tied to one "contain and train" model. The brand is Innotek. I am looking at Dogtra and will post a new topic on this board. The new purchase will extend the time of collar conditioning to more than two weeks. We'll see how it goes. thanks again.
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Bob Cardone wrote 04/09/2007 09:50 PM Re: Collar Conditioning [Re: Geoff Goetz ] #137517 - 04/09/2007 09:50 PM
Bob Cardone Webboard User Reg: 04-06-2007 Posts: 21 Loc: Atlanta, GA Offline	What happens when the dog gets "Collar Smart"?
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Carol Boche wrote 04/09/2007 10:02 PM Re: Collar Conditioning [Re: Bob Cardone ] #137521 - 04/09/2007 10:02 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	In a nutshell, they know when they are wearing the collar and when they are not. So when the collar is on they behave and when it is off they do whatever they want..... Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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steve strom wrote 04/10/2007 09:13 AM Re: Collar Conditioning [Re: Carol Boche ] #137562 - 04/10/2007 09:13 AM
steve strom Webboard User Reg: 03-17-2006 Posts: 4203 Loc: Offline	Geoff, I guess you could say I reconditioned my dog to the e-collar. He got wise to the remote, not the collar. I guess I got in the habit of kind of pointing it at him on the correction. I put it away for a couple of months, went back through following Ed's method and it was fine. I now keep the remote in my pocket.
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