ted efthymiadis wrote 10/14/2007 07:42 PM My Mal is biting his own Torso. Please help. #158204 - 10/14/2007 07:42 PM
ted efthymiadis Webboard User Reg: 03-02-2007 Posts: 278 Loc: Offline	Hi, I'v got a problem. My Mal has been biting himself in the torso for the last 15 min. He does not have fleas, and is not itchy. He's got his entire mouth around his stomack and he's biting down. Not hard, but he's still got a full bite and is putting pressue on his stomack. He's done this a few times before, but he stopped after a few minutes. This time it's lasted longer. The only thing I can think of is about 10 min before this started I gave him a Kong with peanut butter in it. So i'm wondering if this could be an allergy thing to PB. Anyone have any ideas. I got him to stop by giving him some raw beef neck bones, ummm yum See the photo's. thanks. http://www.seshinbikes.com/images/biting1.jpg http://www.seshinbikes.com/images/biting2.jpg
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/14/2007 07:43 PM Re: My Mal is biting his own Torso. Please help. [Re: ted efthymiadis ] #158207 - 10/14/2007 07:43 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31573 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	I'd call the vet; don't feed him until you talk to the vet. Is he restless, looking at his torso, pacing?
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ted efthymiadis wrote 10/14/2007 07:54 PM Re: My Mal is biting his own Torso. Please help. [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #158209 - 10/14/2007 07:54 PM
ted efthymiadis Webboard User Reg: 03-02-2007 Posts: 278 Loc: Offline	He seems fine now. he's still snacking on the bones. No pacing, he's high energy, but then again, he's 8 months, and a Malinois hahaha. It's just weird, I'v never seen a dog do this before. I'll lay off the PB untill I get him tested for allergies. Anyone else have any thoughts?
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/14/2007 08:31 PM Re: My Mal is biting his own Torso. Please help. [Re: ted efthymiadis ] #158211 - 10/14/2007 08:31 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31573 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: ted efthymiadis I'll lay off the PB untill I get him tested for allergies. I was asking about the symptoms because I thought of bloat.
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Carol Boche wrote 10/14/2007 08:41 PM Re: My Mal is biting his own Torso. Please help. [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #158212 - 10/14/2007 08:41 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Quote: Connie Sutherland  Quote: ted efthymiadis I'll lay off the PB untill I get him tested for allergies. I was asking about the symptoms because I thought of bloat. Good call Connie, that is what I was thinking. Or at least a gut ache that is definitely bothering him. I would go and see the vet, as if it is bloat, it is nothing to wait on...... Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Shody Lytle wrote 10/14/2007 08:59 PM Re: My Mal is biting his own Torso. Please help. [Re: ted efthymiadis ] #158213 - 10/14/2007 08:59 PM
Shody Lytle Webboard User Reg: 06-27-2007 Posts: 547 Loc: Orcutt, California Offline	Quote: ted efthymiadis He's done this a few times before, but he stopped after a few minutes. This time it's lasted longer. If it has happened before, it wouldn't be bloat, would it? It wouldn't just pass. I seems that something is causing him pain though. Would it be possible that the high fat content of the peanut butter could be irritating his pancreas? Or maybe he is sensitive to it. Does he have more gas? Shody http://www.pbase.com/shody
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/14/2007 09:20 PM Re: My Mal is biting his own Torso. Please help. [Re: Shody Lytle ] #158214 - 10/14/2007 09:20 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31573 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: shody lytle  Quote: ted efthymiadis He's done this a few times before, but he stopped after a few minutes. This time it's lasted longer. If it has happened before, it wouldn't be bloat, would it? It wouldn't just pass. I think it can. It usually happens from overaccumulation of air, liquid, etc., in the stomach. That's gastric dilatation. But then that may or may not trigger twisting, (or "torsion" or "volvulus"). That's when the stomach first swells and then rotates, twisting between the esophagus end and the intestine end. That's what kills the dog. So I think there can be incidents that pass without torsion. Literally. This dog is not the usual bloat age --- he's very young. ButI would not fool around with any bloat-like symptoms, because I'm just not sure. I would call the vet and describe it, and let the vet decide. JMO.
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Cindy Easton Rhodes wrote 10/14/2007 09:47 PM Re: My Mal is biting his own Torso. Please help. [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #158217 - 10/14/2007 09:47 PM
Cindy Easton Rhodes Moderator Reg: 07-14-2001 Posts: 2069 Loc: Wisconsin Offline	This looks like "flank sucking" which is more of a misplaced behavior. it's common in Dobermans but not exclusive to Dobermans. The Dobe I had as a kid did this. http://www.dogbehaviour.com/articles/dogs/objectsucking.htm http://www.petalia.com.au/Templates/StoryTemplate_Process.cfm?specie=Dogs&story_no=1530 I would keep this dog occupied and tired so this does not become a self mutilation issue. Cindy cindyr@leerburg.com
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Connie Sutherland wrote 10/14/2007 09:54 PM Re: My Mal is biting his own Torso. Please help. [Re: Cindy Easton Rhodes ] #158218 - 10/14/2007 09:54 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31573 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: cindy easton rhodes This looks like "flank sucking" which is more of a misplaced behavior. it's common in Dobermans but not exclusive to Dobermans. The Dobe I had as a kid did this. http://www.dogbehaviour.com/articles/dogs/objectsucking.htm http://www.petalia.com.au/Templates/StoryTemplate_Process.cfm?specie=Dogs&story_no=1530 I would keep this dog occupied and tired so this does not become a self mutilation issue. I am so glad you saw the thread. I was kinda tapping my fingers and wondering whether to email you.
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Cindy Easton Rhodes wrote 10/14/2007 10:01 PM Re: My Mal is biting his own Torso. Please help. [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #158222 - 10/14/2007 10:01 PM
Cindy Easton Rhodes Moderator Reg: 07-14-2001 Posts: 2069 Loc: Wisconsin Offline	if you do an internet search on flank sucking you will find a lot of information. Malinois tend to be obsessive compulsive about things, so I would try to nip this behavior in the bud and make sure he has plenty of exercise and mental stimulation. Cindy cindyr@leerburg.com
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