Kurt Smith wrote 07/29/2008 08:40 PM Crate Screaming Question #203247 - 07/29/2008 08:40 PM
Kurt Smith Webboard User Reg: 07-06-2008 Posts: 137 Loc: Eglin AFB, FL Offline	Situation: 8-week old puppy is screaming in its crate at night. Assumption: I must take my puppy out to pee every few hours to ensure it doesn't pee in the crate. Dilemma: If you take the puppy out while it's screaming, you reinforce screaming behavior. If you leave it in the crate until it stops, you risk it peeing in the crate. Anyone know the "right" answer for this? FYI - I'm not currently having this problem... I'm just thinking ahead. Thanks. v/r Kurt v/r Kurt
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Cameron Feathers wrote 07/29/2008 08:46 PM Re: Crate Screaming Question [Re: Kurt Smith ] #203249 - 07/29/2008 08:46 PM
Cameron Feathers Webboard User Reg: 03-11-2008 Posts: 703 Loc: VA Offline	Pups can usually not multitask. Right before they pee, they stop screaming. That is when you grab the pup and run like h*ll for the backyard. And buy earplugs or a noise diffuser When a flower doesn't bloom, you fix the environment in which it grows, not the flower.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 07/29/2008 08:49 PM Re: Crate Screaming Question [Re: Cameron Feathers ] #203250 - 07/29/2008 08:49 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Yes. There will be a second of quiet, if for no other reason than to draw breath. Mark it quickly and open the crate. I have stood in front of a crate like a stone statue, keys in hand, until there was a moment of quiet --- and then INSTANTLY marked it and took the dog out. Timing, timing, timing......
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Kurt Smith wrote 07/29/2008 09:39 PM Re: Crate Screaming Question [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #203264 - 07/29/2008 09:39 PM
Kurt Smith Webboard User Reg: 07-06-2008 Posts: 137 Loc: Eglin AFB, FL Offline	Got it. Thanks! v/r Kurt
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Jennifer Marshal wrote 07/29/2008 10:56 PM Re: Crate Screaming Question [Re: Kurt Smith ] #203269 - 07/29/2008 10:56 PM
Jennifer Marshal Webboard User Reg: 08-02-2007 Posts: 1078 Loc: Southern Oregon Offline	Until a schedule has been set for a new pup that needs to be taken out several times at night I don't care about screaming. It's part of puppy hood. For me, no messes in the crate is more important than potentially rewarding whining. As long as you have a schedule that is fair and comfortable for the puppy you shouldn't have a problem. If screaming/whining is a problem, deal with it after the pup has more bladder control/you have a good schedule set up.
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Carol Boche wrote 07/29/2008 11:14 PM Re: Crate Screaming Question [Re: Kurt Smith ] #203270 - 07/29/2008 11:14 PM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Are you taking water access away in the evening a couple hours before bedtime? And, have you tried covering the crate? or maybe moving it? I really try for the goal of no messes in the crate and so far (well lately) I am at 6 pups to 1 accident.....YES!!! I set my alarm every hour for the first few days and then extend it by 15 minute increments. I have been lucky though, I have had three pups that started sleeping through the night a week or two after bringing them home. One was a screeching nightmare, and the other two were mouthy, but no accidents. Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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Aaron Myracle wrote 07/29/2008 11:21 PM Re: Crate Screaming Question [Re: Kurt Smith ] #203271 - 07/29/2008 11:21 PM
Aaron Myracle Webboard User Reg: 06-06-2008 Posts: 5062 Loc: WA, USA Offline	Quote: Kurt Smith I must take my puppy out to pee every few hours to ensure it doesn't pee in the crate. At that age, every hour. If you get to the pup before he starts hollering, problem solved. It sucks, but you'll be through it in a month or two.
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Kurt Smith wrote 07/30/2008 10:50 AM Re: Crate Screaming Question [Re: Aaron Myracle ] #203318 - 07/30/2008 10:50 AM
Kurt Smith Webboard User Reg: 07-06-2008 Posts: 137 Loc: Eglin AFB, FL Offline	Carol - I am not having these problems... yet. I will be getting a puppy soon and just want to be armed with the right knowledge. Alyssa - Ugh... every hour? This will be more difficult than I thought. How long until you can start extending the time, and in what increments? What is a realistic timeframe that a puppy will stop screaming? I have heard it can go on for months. What is the minimum time that you have seen? Thanks. kjs v/r Kurt
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Aaron Myracle wrote 07/30/2008 10:59 AM Re: Crate Screaming Question [Re: Kurt Smith ] #203322 - 07/30/2008 10:59 AM
Aaron Myracle Webboard User Reg: 06-06-2008 Posts: 5062 Loc: WA, USA Offline	Honestly, my pup never completely got over throwing a fit at night. She just did NOT like being seperated from the pack. When she got down to only whining for 1-2 minutes, we were happy. That was after about 4 weeks- but she was also 4-5 months old at the time. Danke is 5.5 months old now. She goes the entire night, from 10:30 pm until 7:00 am, with no problem. She has been able to make it through the night since late in her fourth month.
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Carol Boche wrote 07/30/2008 11:29 AM Re: Crate Screaming Question [Re: Kurt Smith ] #203329 - 07/30/2008 11:29 AM
Carol Boche Webboard User Reg: 10-30-2005 Posts: 4531 Loc: South Dakota, USA Offline	Quote: kurt smith Carol - I am not having these problems... yet. I will be getting a puppy soon and just want to be armed with the right knowledge. Ahhh, gotcha, I misread....good thinking though.  Quote: kurt smith Alyssa - Ugh... every hour? This will be more difficult than I thought. How long until you can start extending the time, and in what increments? Every hour is the "rule", however, you will learn in the first few days to a week what your pup will need. Honestly, I follow the every hour rule for the first couple days, BUT, if the pup is sleeping or being quiet, I wait them out. I do not wait long enough for the pup to whine, but if they start to fidgit (get up, lay down) then I watch for a quiet spot and then take them out. I usually increase 15 minutes to 1/2 hour at a time. Depends on the pup.  Quote: kurt smith What is a realistic timeframe that a puppy will stop screaming? I have heard it can go on for months. What is the minimum time that you have seen? Thanks. kjs Depends on the pup, amount of exercise and making sure you never reward that behavior. Ed talks about screaming pups, and putting them out in the garage or shed and letting them have at it. I have had to do this once and it worked in two nights. All was quiet after that since the pup figured out that he was not going to get what he wanted by that behavior. Until The Tale of the Lioness is told, the Story will Always Glorfy the Hunter
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