Janet Koehler wrote 11/30/2008 02:12 PM Let's talk pedigrees.. #218100 - 11/30/2008 02:12 PM
Janet Koehler Webboard User Reg: 01-15-2008 Posts: 154 Loc: Ontario, Canada Offline	If I said I was looking for a workingline shepherd with these qualities, what lines and pedigrees give me the greatest chance of getting the dog I want? I want a dog with a fairly hard temperment, not too soft, one that can take a correction and that you are not walking on eggshells around. A fairly dominant dog is fine. I want a dog of good size and good conformation with dark eyes. I want a dog that has drive, but not off the wall, not just bred to do schutzhund but that could also do PP or herding for that matter. I want a dog with courage and fight drive. One with an aloof temperment, a certain degree of sharpness. I want what I consider to be a well bred German Shepherd. Thanks Janet
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Will Rambeau wrote 11/30/2008 04:03 PM Re: Let's talk pedigrees.. [Re: Janet Koehler ] #218111 - 11/30/2008 04:03 PM
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003 Posts: 5983 Loc: Idaho Offline	Janet, many of your statements here confuse me. Do you think that a "bred to do schutzhund" dog can't do ppd work? And you've said "I want a dog that has drive, but not off the wall" and then go on to name some training venues...do you think that too much drive will prevent a dog from training as a ppd, or in herding? Sorry, I'm having real trouble figuring out what you're trying to say here..... The Fetz dog: http://www.leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/79673/page/25
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Janet Koehler wrote 11/30/2008 04:20 PM Re: Let's talk pedigrees.. [Re: Will Rambeau ] #218113 - 11/30/2008 04:20 PM
Janet Koehler Webboard User Reg: 01-15-2008 Posts: 154 Loc: Ontario, Canada Offline	Hi Will. I was hoping you'd answer, because honestly, I've only had 3 GSD's two workingline. My first was mostly the temperment I described, and to be honest I preferred it. I guess, what I'm asking is, are some dogs just bred to do schutzhund? Have we kind of gotten off track on a well rounded GSD, and now do some breeders just breed for the traits that would do well in sport? If so, I'd like to know which lines are what you are referring to, ones that are bred to do both. Hope I'm making myself clear. I'm kinda just going from the temperments of the dogs I have had. Thanks!
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Will Rambeau wrote 11/30/2008 06:03 PM Re: Let's talk pedigrees.. [Re: Janet Koehler ] #218124 - 11/30/2008 06:03 PM
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003 Posts: 5983 Loc: Idaho Offline	Well, look at it this way - the sport of SchH was designed primarily as a breeding suitability test by the founder of our breed ( ol' Max ). And the type of dog that does well in SchH has changed throughout its many years as Judges will focus on some aspect for points and then breeders will adapt their breeding to focus on the area that Judges are placing their emphasis. Does that make sense from a historical standpoint? The Fetz dog: http://www.leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/79673/page/25
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Norman Epstein wrote 12/01/2008 09:25 AM Re: Let's talk pedigrees.. [Re: Will Rambeau ] #218168 - 12/01/2008 09:25 AM
Norman Epstein Webboard User Reg: 02-06-2008 Posts: 283 Loc: Mandeville Louisiana Offline	Quote: Ms.Koehler wrote I guess, what I'm asking is, are some dogs just bred to do schutzhund? Have we kind of gotten off track on a well rounded GSD, and now do some breeders just breed for the traits that would do well in sport? To follow up on Will's post. I think you should research what in entailed in the sport of schutzhund i.e., tracking, obedience and protection, because it quantifies what you seem to want “a rounded GSD”. Schutzhund helps identify certain traits that allow those dogs to excel in a given task. In order for a dog to participate in schutzhund, it must first pass the BH (temperament test) and then it is allowed go on to the first level of schutzhund. It also might be of interest that those “schutzhund” dogs are, by far the most used service dogs in the world today. That work includes but not limited to, drug and bomb detection, police and military K-9 work world wide, Seeing Eye dogs, herding, guard dogs, therapy, assistance work and last but most important great companions, all because of schutzhund. Seems pretty well rounded to me. Schutzhund is a selection process and to even maintain a population of good working dogs and I am talking about demanding work it takes such a process.
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Betty Waldron wrote 12/01/2008 11:08 AM Re: Let's talk pedigrees.. [Re: Norman Epstein ] #218185 - 12/01/2008 11:08 AM
Betty Waldron Webboard User Reg: 07-11-2002 Posts: 2679 Loc: North Florida (Live Oak area) Offline	Having sold and bought pups and having sold and bought older dogs you may want to consider (if you aren't already) an older dog. At 6 months you have a lot better idea of what you are going to see at they mature. Pups, regardless of their bloodlines can throw you a curve ball. If I am real specific in what I am looking for I will bypass the cute pup every day and go for an older dog. As far as bloodlines, I think almost any of them could produce what you are looking for. I'm partial to Pike, Grim, Mink, Aly, to name a few. But that is based on my experience with dogs that I have first hand experience with. Other's milage may vary. <grin> Betty (Waldron) Mathena http://www.littlerivercanine.com
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Janet Koehler wrote 12/01/2008 12:43 PM Re: Let's talk pedigrees.. [Re: Betty Waldron ] #218191 - 12/01/2008 12:43 PM
Janet Koehler Webboard User Reg: 01-15-2008 Posts: 154 Loc: Ontario, Canada Offline	Thanks Will and Norman. I do understand what schutzhund was originally intended for, it's just that my two workinglines are both quite soft, and hyper, and I was wondering if that was their lines, or if most workingline GSD's are bred that way. Thank you Betty, that is what I was looking for. Can you tell me what it is about dogs from those pedigree's that you yourself like? What qualities? I've seen breeders advertise dogs that are more serious, not sport dogs, which made me wonder if sometimes sport dogs are just game dogs and not civil? Thanks Janet
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Norman Epstein wrote 12/01/2008 01:22 PM Re: Let's talk pedigrees.. [Re: Janet Koehler ] #218194 - 12/01/2008 01:22 PM
Norman Epstein Webboard User Reg: 02-06-2008 Posts: 283 Loc: Mandeville Louisiana Offline	Working lines and dogs within those lines differ. In every working breeding there are around 30% that reflect the pedigree of the parents and 30% that shouldn’t be sold. The remainder are good dogs but just don’t have the drive and or temperament necessary to do hard work but they can be excellent companions. When a breeder labels a dog as “serious” that IMO has as much to do with what is necessary i.e., expertise, of the handler in training the dog as it has to do with the demeanor of the dog. Be careful what you wish for I had a 3X2 Mink and let me tell you he wasn’t for the faint of heart, http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/129591.html .
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Betty Waldron wrote 12/11/2008 10:45 AM Re: Let's talk pedigrees.. [Re: Norman Epstein ] #219524 - 12/11/2008 10:45 AM
Betty Waldron Webboard User Reg: 07-11-2002 Posts: 2679 Loc: North Florida (Live Oak area) Offline	Quote: I've seen breeders advertise dogs that are more serious, not sport dogs, which made me wonder if sometimesl sport dogs are just game dogs and not civil. Thanks Sorry, just saw this. Many sport dogs are not civil. And some of the more serious dogs do not make the high point dogs. A dog that can win the Nationals and a dog that can work as a patrol dog are often not the same dog. Betty (Waldron) Mathena http://www.littlerivercanine.com
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