I've been looking at this line for a year or so, biding my time until I can get a working rottie pup. I've done a search here and only gotten a few hits. Does anyone here have any experience with Jeneck's rotties? My ultimate goal would be a proofed SchH dog for mild home defense. A rottie's bark will scare most smash and grabbers away, but I want a dog that does more than look the part away from the sports field.

I'm not looking for recommendations on breeders or other lines (the locked topic did a good job there), just objective observations from people who've either owned, watched dogs worked, or worked dogs from this line. I've already got the opinion of a few breeders who have this line and it's what anyone would expect. I also have two clubs I'm looking at and will be taking my current pup to one of them, so that base is going to be covered by the time I'm ready to buy.

Thanks for your time.

Oooh ooh ooh! I have a Jenecks dog and know many more.

Our training director took a Jenecks dog (Jenecks Wyatt I think but call name Taz) to a Sch III and I believe got him V-rated in conformation. National level dog. He now works his son. The litter mates to that male (three females) have become a therapy dog, a service dog and a companion to a young family.

My dog is a great animal. He is a VERY dominant dog and has more drives than most would ever attribute to a Rott. Very stubborn but absolutely devoted to me to the exclusion of all others; you just don’t exist to him and he expects you to treat him the same way. We have a great structure in place that allows us to live in a perfect existence, but all others are outsiders that he tolerates.

Quinn is quick to learn new things, and very animated in performing but has little patience when he wants something else more. High levels of correction are used in some situations, not because I train that way, but because he has such a hard head (figuratively) and needs to be ‘snapped’ out of it.

Bite work is something he excels at. He is eager and excited, with a full mouth bite and holds on well. He is fearless and works great in the driving and courage tests. As we have had a real bite (A bad mix of Cap’n & Coke and male ego when I stepped out) I know that this dog is not a fear biter, but a serious dog that will commit. We have also done many real life training scenarios with unknown helpers and agitation muzzles as well.

Looks wise he is a beautiful dog. A little on the small size, coming in at 105 at working weight but very proportioned. Beautiful head piece and clear, mahogany markings. Nice angulations. His hips are good and elbows normal. BUT his eyes are a little loose, and I have heard that that was an issue with Wotan as well. I have also heard that elbows are sometimes iffy, but that was just a rumor I heard.

There is a man named Bill who has a lot of Jeneck stock and even the nephew to my dog through his litter mate Quic. They all seemed nice, but he comes sporadically.

I guess bottom line is, I like what I have seen. The dogs that I know are either great dogs or have a lot of promise. I like the line a lot.

Please ask if you have any more questions.

Outstanding. Thank you for taking the time to post such an in-depth reply, Jessica. There are a few breeders within a three hour drive that have Jeneck's dogs and I so much rather buy a dog in person than have one shipped to me.

If I give my dog an inch he takes three miles, so I'm fairly used to dominance issues...just not with a serious alpha, which I'll let the serious handlers have.

Your dog is beautiful and I like the size. I used to be a fan of the super huge rotties. Then, about ten years ago my wife and I met a PPD dog named Kimbo Vom Saro, who was 140lbs. of pure muscle (not a bit of fat on the dog), in Sacramento. Kimbo was so big that he was kind of cumbersome, but his jaws were also so powerful that they had to make a custom bite sleeve out of industrial strength conveyor belt...because he literally broke anything less, at the time. His owner/handler/trainer was the trainer for the Sacramento PD and his first name was Gary (I forgot his last name). I'd still love to get a dog from that line someday, if I can find them again, but that size was a little ridiculous even with how impressive it was. Right now though, I think the Jeneck's line is looking like the ticket.

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I so much rather buy a dog in person than have one shipped to me.

I hear this a lot. Not just with Rotts, but in all breeds.

I can understand the why behind it, but not the practicality. Not to be offensive to you in particular, (this is where I put in my disclaimer that this is about to be a ramble, and not directed to anyone in particular... :grin but as a somewhat novice handler 99.9% of people would not know what they were looking at when presented with a litter of 10 wriggling pups. Hell, I have only done it twice for myself. I could say that I like one more than another for X reason, but I don’t have the experience to know what that pup really is after one or two 20 min (maybe&hellip play time with the adorable babies.

A breeder has spent every day (and more hours than you can count) with them. S/he knows them personally inside and out in a way that cannot be replicated. They know at least mom and hopefully dad and what they are REALLY like and not a 10 minute SCH routine that you may have caught a glimpse of. I mean the true character. So many pups will end up showing those very characteristics that we will never know about. They know the lines like the back of their hand and may know personally the grandparents, great grandparents, and all the aunts, uncles, nieces and nephews. There is also the fact that the breeder should have had either very direct experience with many litters or has had many of his own, so can see the subtleties of the pups that only comes with vast experience.

I feel that if after doing a ton of research, and asking questions of the most knowledgeable people I can lay hands on and picking the sire and dam, I should trust the breeder to pick out a pup that fits what I am looking for. You should see the essays I wrote to each breeder I have chosen when asking for a pup describing my lifestyle, expectations and experience. I make it quite clear that if a pup is not available from the current litter, then I will wait until one comes along that I will like. You trusted them enough to breed the pup, why not trust them to pick out the best for you?

*Side note, when getting Quinn, I had actually picked out a different litter than the one I got. I did not like the looks of Quinn’s litter and REALLY liked the look of the other. I was told that those pups would not suite what I was describing and strongly suggested that I take the pup he picked for me. Worked out great. For Havok, the only way I was going to Belgium to pick out a pup was in my dreams…

Anyway, I will step off my soapbox now . Just make sure you are picking the breeder of your future pup based not on geographic desirability but because you trust them and their experience to provide you with the best pup for you... Especially in Rottweilers...

I am happy with my Jenecks dog, and if not for wanting to see what the drives in a Schloss Hexental were like would have gone back for seconds.

Again, if you have any questions about mine (or ever make it down to Santa Barbara/Ventura and wanna meet the dogs mentioned before) feel free to ask!

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Jessica

You've made an incorrect assumption about me and aimed your diatribe in the wrong direction. No offense taken, but I dislike being stereotyped.

I fully planned on picking a good breeder with a lot of experience and letting them pick the pup for me. Because, like you said, they get to see the pups every day and already know their temperments. I may even buy straight from Jeneck's because they're only about a three hour drive farther than Disneyland and my wife and I have made that drive. So that's not a problem. I just mean that I don't want to have a dog shipped to me from the East Coast or across the pond. The fact that this is a good working line and on the West Coast is what's appealing to me. If I was looking for a super serious dog, I wouldn't even be looking at a Jeneck's dog because of the eyes and elbows. If I was just going to pick a pup willy-nilly, I sure wouldn't be looking to spend $2k or any amount of time doing research. I'd be looking through the local newspaper classifieds to find the cheapest and most bad-ass looking backyard bred "German" pups. But, I'm not that guy.

Whoa, that was not meant to be directed to you in any way and I was certainly not attempting to stereotype a person that I have never met. It was just a general observation and discussion for those that may read this in the future. Hence my disclosure very early on.

This is a topic that comes up often and I feel is a misconception that many people have (again, NOT you specifically), and when specific breeders or lines are discussed, should be disclosed. The Rott is a breed that has very few lines that are left that are serious for working purposes, and geographically, very secluded.

I have NEVER had a problem having a dog shipped, and would not hesitate to do so again. Although sitting at customs was not fun… But, to each their own.

Feel free to buy where you want of course; and do so for your reasons. No criticisms meant.

As for the Jenecks line, I like them, would buy from him directly again, and would recommend them to someone wanting to get into Schutzhund with a Rott. The offer to come down always stands...

It's all good, I'm just a direct person. If you could've seen my facial expression as I said that you wouldn't have thought I was upset. I happen to agree with everything you said, by the way.

Like I said, the fact that the Jeneck's line is geographically close to Sacramento (I live about an hour north of there) just puts the icing on the cake for me. The other two lines I'm looking at, and considering for the future, are in Belgium and Pennsylvania. Those will obviously need to be shipped. Just not what I want to do right now.

Also, my dog looks young but he turned 13 on Jan. 03 and we've had him since he was six weeks old. Before that my wife and I each grew up around people who bred rotties. We've each been in love with the breed for a good 20 years but the timing is just now right for us to start seriously looking at getting another purebred.

Again, thank you for your time and your dedication to the breed. If we're ever down South again, I'll let you know. Maybe we'll have our own Jeneck's rottie with us.

Not trying to steal this thread... Jessica can you shoot me a pm where you got your dog?

Hello,
I actually train under Eckart and his son, if you are buying direct from him, the dogs are comming from the east side of Washington state.

If you do buy a pup from them, i'm sure you will be extremely happy.

Thank you, sir.