 Police K9 Detector Dogs and Private Schools
#230936 - 03/09/2009 11:49 AM |
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What is the general consensus on using police dogs to search private schools for drugs? There are governmental guidelines the schools have to adhere to but does that mean that the police have the same jurisdictional powers under the law as public schools?
My biggest issue is that upon recieving a positive alert, what then? Does the school authority have the option to open a locker etc. then use discretion in how things are handled? Or is it the police responsibility to follow through and make an arrest?
Being as the K9 would be there upon request from the school's superintendant, how far reaching is the handlers' authority? I believe once the alert is made, and a locker etc is opened and contraband found, then it is the police responsibility to follow through.
Anybody have specific experience in this matter?
Howard
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#230955 - 03/09/2009 01:48 PM |
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We had the drug dogs come a few times when I was in high school, I only remember them finding anything one time.
From what I remember (it was a while ago LOL) they pulled the kid out and he was given a ticket by the police and also suspended from school, ordered to take some sort of classes.
I really think the main goal of the dogs being there was as a scare tactic, they were more interested in stopping it from happening in the first place.
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#230957 - 03/09/2009 01:51 PM |
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Was yours a private school?
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#230959 - 03/09/2009 02:03 PM |
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If they maintain proprietary rights, then it isn't a problem. Things like: all vehicles and persons are subject to search, the lockers belong to the school with an understanding they are subject to search by school officials. Terry Fleck would be, in my mind, a more definitive answer, but I'm fairly certain I'm right. edited to add; you have a legal right to be there, ie, invitation etc,
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#230961 - 03/09/2009 02:10 PM |
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Hi David,
I went to Terry Fleck's website looking for a phone number but there isn't one listed. Seems his site will be going down soon due to retirement. You two got plans to hang out? LOL
I guess mainly I'm looking at our role if something is found...same as any other on private property then. Our discretion on how it's handled and no longer the discretion of the school officials.
Howard
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#230963 - 03/09/2009 02:28 PM |
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My biggest issue is that upon recieving a positive alert, what then? Does the school authority have the option to open a locker etc. then use discretion in how things are handled? Or is it the police responsibility to follow through and make an arrest?
After a positive alert a private detection service steps away. Thereafter whatever occurs is up to the school authorities. It is not a police responsibility unless the police are asked to be involved.
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Yes it was a private school. It was also the police doing the searches and not a private agency.
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#230965 - 03/09/2009 02:37 PM |
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Howard, we've operated in private schools exactly as I've described. We also informed them from the beginning, if we find drugs it becomes a police matter. We aren't a private detection agency.
ha ha, no sir, Mr. Fleck and I don't have plans. I am, however attending one of his seminars in May. It's being held in Paducah KY. Try sending him an email, he's always been very good about responding.
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#230970 - 03/09/2009 03:39 PM |
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Thanks, you've answered my question.
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Well,
The answer is depends. Administrations in schools have a lot of latitude in what they do. Your latitude is much more defined as a LEO. These things can be at odds. It will take a consensus among the administrations as how to handle these things. Good luck. Because I can give you all the federal law, and tell you what I interpret it to mean but it won't help in regards to the way school officials want to do things.
I always tell my students that schools are a hot potato. We have refused to do them in my department because the administrations refuse to agree that we have the say in enforcement actions. It potentially could put us at odds with state statute as it pertains to the way we perform our duties.
What is the general consensus on using police dogs to search private schools for drugs? There are governmental guidelines the schools have to adhere to but does that mean that the police have the same jurisdictional powers under the law as public schools?
My biggest issue is that upon recieving a positive alert, what then? Does the school authority have the option to open a locker etc. then use discretion in how things are handled? Or is it the police responsibility to follow through and make an arrest?
Being as the K9 would be there upon request from the school's superintendant, how far reaching is the handlers' authority? I believe once the alert is made, and a locker etc is opened and contraband found, then it is the police responsibility to follow through.
Anybody have specific experience in this matter?
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