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How do I get him to stay in the sit, when I'm out of sight.
#21567 - 12/06/2002 01:41 PM |
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How do I get him to stay in the sit, when I'm out of sight. He will do a 5-8 minute sit, but we are shooting for a 10 minute sit sometimes he can do it, when I'm out of sight, but there have been times when I come back he in a down.
How do I proof this? One of the problem with a dog that has some bite training, is that people don't want to try to correct him especially when you are not around. And I've been told that he doesn't listen to other people when they issue the sit or down, whichever one we are doing. Obviously the long down he doesn't have a problem with.
I'm told that about around the 8-9 minute mark he starts to move to the down. How do I keep him up in the sit? I'm not competing in any competition, but I hate to think that if I were we would be dismissed. How can I praise or correct if I'm out of sight? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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Re: How do I get him to stay in the sit, when I'm out of sight.
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#21568 - 12/06/2002 01:58 PM |
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When we are proofing for AKC open sits and down out of sight ,once we teach where we are in front of the dog like for the CD then we have someone to correct the dog once we start to go out of sight if we feel the dog might move from either the sit or down . But if proofing is done while the dog can see you ,then out of sight will not be to difficult to acheive . Good luck .Peter
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#21569 - 12/06/2002 02:12 PM |
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Peter 10 minutes with me in sight is not a problem, from 20-30 yards away. Just when I'm out of sight will he drop to the down. When we practice its informal (some are AKC ob guys), but because he has some bite training, the overseer don't want to correct him without me being there, even though he does allow them to pet him when I present.
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#21570 - 12/06/2002 02:39 PM |
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Then I would find someone that is not afraid of your dog and do the corrections,it can be done close or leave a line on the dog so the person behind the dog can give asmall correction from ther line and say sit as soon as the dog is thinking about moving . Peter
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#21571 - 12/06/2002 03:36 PM |
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Ok I'll try an long line and use a person that will correct him if he moves, when the others see that he ok with that. I won't have a problem. I think their just being over caution because when I drop him off at Pet Mart for his bi-annual speacial grooming they say he is a good GSD. They even tie a bow around his neck, which I quick take off as soon as possible. Makes him look cute, I don't want a cute GSD.
Thanks Pete I'll give that try, I'll practice the 10 minute sit from a far, until I get in touch with some of the other fellows.
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#21572 - 12/06/2002 06:50 PM |
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One thing that you may want to try if your alone is using a movable blind that allows you to see through it. It could be a simple refrigerator box with a peephole. Give the sit command and put the blind up between you and the dog at ten feet away. continue to give the sit command from behind the blind watching that the dog doesn't break into a down. After a few seconds come back out and give big praise for staying in the sit while you were out of sight. When the dog does break the sit, give a quick verbal correction and start over with a shorter time out of sight. After some success, move the blind further away from the dog while repeating the sit command.
The dog will realize that just because he can't see you doesn't mean that you can't see him.
An ecollar would make shorten the learning curve.
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#21573 - 12/09/2002 11:08 AM |
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Thanks I'll rig up a blind and give that a try, not a bad idea. I guess that is like being alone if they won't or can't help.
They do help with distraction, other dogs and people to walk through and around, helps socailize the animal.
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#21574 - 12/09/2002 12:26 PM |
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I think you have to break it down in small steps.First the down, then resistance downs,downs with you walking away with some distance,downs under distractions,then I do downs then walk out the door open it back up return to the dog and repeat,then start increasing the amount of time before opening the door and returning, you need to be able to see the dog though, with it not knowing it, remember the instant that your dog breaks the down its got to her a big NO! and you return and correct the dog back into the down, even if the dog goes down before you get there you still have to correct it.When you get that accomplished start doing it with other dogs down,lined up with it like a real trial.I also practice ,when the dog is doing the out of sight downs, me returning and walking right pass the dog and exiting out another door(so he doesnt get in the habit of thinking hes going to get up because he sees me coming).
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#21575 - 12/09/2002 12:31 PM |
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woops! I mean a sit, I do it all the same,the key is being able to see the dog so he knows the exact moment he does the wrong thing,he's got to hear a big NO! and know you will come back and correct him.
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#21576 - 12/09/2002 01:35 PM |
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The problem here is that the sitting position is not a normal position for a dog to be in. some dogs that have joint/arthritic issues will only be able to sit for under a min.
the norm on this command from what i understand is that 2-3 min is the max. anything longer the dog should be in a down position.
why would you want the dog to sit for 10 min? :rolleyes:
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