We thought we'd made great progress on Lad and his car chasing. Called before full on chase , he'd come back and be cheery . He's given up the garbage truck and the UPS man.

Monday afternoon he got hit, we were lucky. Bored with my fencing, he bounded away from us to chase a neighbor who pulled in unexpectedly.

That is the first time a vehicle has ever "bit" him in any way.

I'm thinking I'd like to capitalize on any natural fear he may have developed from this incident. So he will not be free to run about until I can figure out a plan.

Please let me know your thoughts about training for this specific problem. It can't just be a great recall -- he needs to see a car is dangerous, not just because "we said 'here'.

Other dogs we have trained by throwing short chain links and small rocks from the vehicle. That has not worked with this higher drive heavy coated dog.

I hope you don't think I'm a rotten owner - this guy is never free when we are not home, our driveway is over a mile long. He's safe around tractors, the Bobcat, towed big machinery that moves slowly. Strange cars blasting down the driveway are his downfall.

I'm wondering if training this may be impossible, that he may need to be put away in a crate or pen any time we are not specifically using him.

He will hate that, but it may be necessary for his protection.

 Quote: Betty Landercasp

We thought we'd made great progress on Lad and his car chasing. Called before full on chase , he'd come back and be cheery . He's given up the garbage truck and the UPS man.

Monday afternoon he got hit, we were lucky. Bored with my fencing, he bounded away from us to chase a neighbor who pulled in unexpectedly.

That is the first time a vehicle has ever "bit" him in any way.

I'm thinking I'd like to capitalize on any natural fear he may have developed from this incident. So he will not be free to run about until I can figure out a plan.

Please let me know your thoughts about training for this specific problem. It can't just be a great recall -- he needs to see a car is dangerous, not just because "we said 'here'.

Other dogs we have trained by throwing short chain links and small rocks from the vehicle. That has not worked with this higher drive heavy coated dog.

I hope you don't think I'm a rotten owner - this guy is never free when we are not home, our driveway is over a mile long. He's safe around tractors, the Bobcat, towed big machinery that moves slowly. Strange cars blasting down the driveway are his downfall.

I'm wondering if training this may be impossible, that he may need to be put away in a crate or pen any time we are not specifically using him.

He will hate that, but it may be necessary for his protection.

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I think an ecollar layered over an alternate behavior?

Something like, if you go near the car, its uncomfortable - but if you run to the porch/in a pen (or wherever), then when I come outside/walk by, I will throw you a special treat. This way the dog knows that the reward won't be waiting for him, but will come once he sees you and is in the correct position.

Then just phase out the treat for praise (if this dog is motivated by that or maybe a ball throw?

I'm not a fan of e-collars but I just finished ME's two e-collar videos.

I REALLY like his methods. They make perfect sense. The collar is used a a correction ONLY after the dog understands what is wanted. No different them corrections with a leash done ONLY after the dog understands the exercise.

He talks a number of times about superstitious behavior created by the e-collar. It's normally a bad thing but car chasing can be one of the good things. it basically teaches the dog that cars bite.

Are you planning on ever using an e-collar in regular training? If you are I wouldn't do this. I wouldn't normally suggest it used this way but a dog who's jumping a fence to go after a car and has already been hit by one is an exception.

This isn't the fairest to the dog but just a few repetitions should make a permanent impression. I would go through the taking the collar on and off part of acclimatization but I wouldn't introduce low-level stim.

I would ask a friend to drive up. When he starts his pursuit I'd blast him with a high enough level that the pursuit is jarred right out of his mind. He'll learn that cars bite hard when being chased. Try not to be involved in the correction at all. You want him to think him going after the car was the sole action responsible for feeling the stim.

When he decides he's not interested in regular cars anymore some cans rattling on a string behind the car can renew his interest. I'm all for motivationally based training but for some things a few painful moments for the dog can potentially save it's life.

 Quote: Bob Scott

He talks a number of times about superstitious behavior created by the e-collar. It's normally a bad thing but car chasing can be one of the good things. it basically teaches the dog that cars bite.

That's why I would not use an e-collar in this case. (even though I love remote-collars) If you want to use an e-collar right, then you have to learn to use it as well as your dog. That takes time and patience.

In this situation my thoughts are exactly what you described. A cruel blast as he approaches the vehicle, as though the electricity flowed from the vehicle.

My thought was that if he follows vehicles, say, from the grassy part along the driveway, that would be ok -- but if he steps closer than 10 ft to a vehicle moving,ESPECIALLY if he goes in front of a car, that he be corrected hard. I'd like to see him going "yipe! yipe! Yipe! " and running to me for solace, where he'll get a "good boy" and a great treat.

After we get this problem solved, then we can use the E-collar for regular training.

I ordered a Mini Educator collar from Leerburg, a 2 dog model. The collar seemed smaller, which I thought might be better for a dog who runs thru brush, might be less likely to become hung up.

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