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#395109 - 11/13/2014 04:52 PM |
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Two of my dogs are very deaf now (not totally, but almost). Neither can hear cupped-hand clapping now, which was a great standby for a long time.
What I need are big, exaggerated gestures to serve as command cues. Some movement is desirable, too, because neither of these two has the sharp eyesight of prior years.
I have a good recall for them, with a two-beckoning-arms gesture, Thank goodness, they still come a-running with the promptness of the hearing dog.
But I need similarly extravagant gestures for the other basic ob commands. I guess I'm getting old too, because I can't come up with good ones that are all dissimilar .... not confusable.
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Re: need some big exaggerated gestures
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#395113 - 11/13/2014 05:15 PM |
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Two of my dogs are very deaf now (not totally, but almost). Neither can hear cupped-hand clapping now, which was a great standby for a long time.
What I need are big, exaggerated gestures to serve as command cues. Some movement is desirable, too, because neither of these two has the sharp eyesight of prior years.
I have a good recall for them, with a two-beckoning-arms gesture, Thank goodness, they still come a-running with the promptness of the hearing dog.
But I need similarly extravagant gestures for the other basic ob commands. I guess I'm getting old too, because I can't come up with good ones that are all dissimilar .... not confusable.
You could research "semaphore communications" using Flags (see examples in the dictionary) -- Or you could watch the opening scenes of "Top Gun" to get some ideas from those COOL flight deck guys directing pilots in planes on an aircraft carrier (where nobody can hear anything) ... Or you could use "tickle only" Very Low Stim e-com from a Remote 
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Re: need some big exaggerated gestures
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#395117 - 11/13/2014 05:36 PM |
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I have been using the vibrate-only function on the Dogtra 1700 NCP I got from Leerburg for just this purpose.
Now with two, though, it'd be too cumbersome (for me, anyway) to use two.
It did work very well indeed, though, for one dog. I trained him that the vibrate meant "look at me," and then I just beckoned him over when he did look at me. I'd recommend that pager function for pretty much anyone with one dog losing his/her hearing. The Dogtra is the only one I have owned, and I have used it only for the pager (vibrate) function, but I have to say that I never had a problem with it.
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#395122 - 11/13/2014 06:04 PM |
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I have been using the vibrate-only function on the Dogtra 1700 NCP I got from Leerburg for just this purpose.
Now with two, though, it'd be too cumbersome (for me, anyway) to use two.
It did work very well indeed, though, for one dog. I trained him that the vibrate meant "look at me," and then I just beckoned him over when he did look at me. I'd recommend that pager function for pretty much anyone with one dog losing his/her hearing. The Dogtra is the only one I have owned, and I have used it only for the pager (vibrate) function, but I have to say that I never had a problem with it.
Check out all the "fine print" details on Educator's Lady ET 300 model -- I believe that lightweight little beauty comes in a 2-DOG One Transmitter version with separate buttons for both dogs (?)
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#395127 - 11/13/2014 08:32 PM |
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Good point for others who may have two deaf dogs.
I like the pager on the Dogtra very much, but I'm extremely unlikely to buy a second collar just for the pager and the two-dog version.
Plus, I really don't think I'm nimble enough to deal efficiently with two buttons, 
No, it's time for me to re-train both dogs. Luckily, they are marker-trained and both love to see the ol' bait bag come out.  Even at 15 and 12, they start bouncing around excitedly when they realize that marker work is in the offing.
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Re: need some big exaggerated gestures
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#395133 - 11/13/2014 11:08 PM |
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Do either of your two dogs respond to the other dog's movement, excitement, etc or are the pretty independent when in the yard.
Possible if one does then train the other with the e-collar for your attention. Then, hopefully the less attentive, to you, will respond with the one that does.
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#395139 - 11/14/2014 07:33 AM |
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What about the type of hand signals typically used by AKC competitors in the utility signals exercises? They are pretty "big" already, intended to be easily seen by the dog from 30-40 feet away. And since this is real life and not a competition, you could exaggerate them in any way you wanted, hold them for a longer period, or repeat them as needed.
The signals used in the utility class are for stand, stay, down, sit, and come. (You're already using the "come" signal, except that you're using two arms instead of one.) Could be helpful if you told us what other commands you are wanting signals for? (For example, I have a hand signal for "back up." I also may use different signals, depending on if the dog is at my side or facing me.)
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#395148 - 11/14/2014 11:08 AM |
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What about the type of hand signals typically used by AKC competitors in the utility signals exercises? They are pretty "big" already, intended to be easily seen by the dog from 30-40 feet away. And since this is real life and not a competition, you could exaggerate them in any way you wanted, hold them for a longer period, or repeat them as needed.
The signals used in the utility class are for stand, stay, down, sit, and come. (You're already using the "come" signal, except that you're using two arms instead of one.) Could be helpful if you told us what other commands you are wanting signals for? (For example, I have a hand signal for "back up." I also may use different signals, depending on if the dog is at my side or facing me.)
Yes, I too automatically use a corresponding Hand Signal for every command I train (just an OLD habit here) -- I imagine lots of folks do that as well, not just for the Competition OB Ring
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Re: need some big exaggerated gestures
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#395159 - 11/14/2014 11:05 PM |
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My long gone UD Kerry Blue terrier was great at responding to the Utility hand signals for every day living but when his back was turned it was a beast to get his attention.
I'm suddenly seeing Connies question in a new light.
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#395162 - 11/15/2014 12:40 PM |
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connie , can i add this observation ?
i make a distinction between a motion ( into a position/gesture ) , and the position itself .
i've noticed fellow handlers have difficulty , continually repeating wild body movements to get the dog to do what is being asked . this often leads to inconsistencies , non compliance , confusion on the dogs' part and consequently , frustration .
what i do is ( after the dog has learned the behaviour ) , i'll cue the command when the dog is not expecting it / not looking at me . when he does look , i am displaying the position / gesture . the idea is that the dog identifies that position with the behaviour , not my movement into the position .
hope that makes sense , and helps .
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