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#55744 - 10/23/2003 08:20 PM |
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Help!! Novice here, I just bought a pure bred DDR puppy for the purpose of house pet and protection. My question is this, can I train this dog without any help to protect my home and family members? I am not interested in SchH or paying someone to train my dog. I intent to train him in obedience, increase his prey drive, Ball etc, and then at the age of 3 years have a helped pretend to break in the house, of course I will have a muzzle on the dog for this test. I cannot afford a body suit,(limited funds, retired now). Any constructive advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank You
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#55745 - 10/23/2003 09:57 PM |
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NO.
Protection work is something that needs to be trained with the help of a professional. There are 2 things most people forget about when it comes to protection work. The first is that the most important thing to teach the dog is not to bite but to OUT!!!! It is also generally the most difficult thing to teach, especially for a novice. There are just too many things that can go wrong. The biggest are teaching a "chewy" bite or totally inhibiting the bite all together.
Second is teaching the required control for all phases to make the dog safe. Part of this is involved in getting the dog to listen in the heat of battle. It is also important to teach the dog to call off if you want a protection dog. You need to be able to stop the dog when necessary.
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#55746 - 10/23/2003 11:20 PM |
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http://www.leerburg.com/310.htm
this DVD is supposed to teach us how far we can go in protection training without help. At least that's what I think it was made for
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#55747 - 10/24/2003 01:15 AM |
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About the limit you can go is drive bulding and some basic command work. Once it comes to biting you need help. Teaching YOUR dog to bite YOU is not a good thing.
If you can't be a Good Example,then You'll just have to Serve as a Horrible Warning. Catherine Aird. |
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#55748 - 10/24/2003 07:08 AM |
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You must excuse the boy’s, but some will make believe that novice dog training is rocket science, bummer it’s not, my 5 year old is training a full grown GSD, and my 13 year old is a instructor, so you don’t need a professional at this stage especially for what you want, the post man and the milk man is the best trainer of territorial aggression, forget the drives etc, get some one to tease the dog through the gate, and then let him drop and run, later on get him on lead and get some one to come in and repeat the process, this will teach the dog to dominate his area, this dog will have the game under rappers in no time.
The other thing is not all dogs are territorially inclined, so your dog’s inclination to be protective will depend ion breed and temperament ETC.
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#55749 - 10/24/2003 09:29 AM |
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What Reinier is describing is the training of the proverbial "junk yard dog". If the dog is a puppy, this type of training isn't age appropriate for the dog, and is drive building and civil work that shouldn't be done until the dog matures. This type of training will not teach the control that seperates a "Protection Dog" from just a nasty, and often dangerous, dog.
If you don't know what you are doing get help. Some mistakes made now will cause the dog to inhibit the biting. Mistakes made later can easily create a dangerous uncontroled animal that is a serious liability. But feel free to take your chances.
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#55750 - 10/24/2003 10:10 AM |
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I was under the impression that at 3 years a GSD would be mature enough to engage in personal protection. Does novice denote stupidity? Constructive advice is solicited but I can do without the condescending ridicule. That was my first and last post. Thanks to all of you that replied intelligently and in a civilized manner.
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#55751 - 10/24/2003 10:26 AM |
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Unfortunately, some folks feel the need to be arrogant and "know it alls" to make themselves feel better.
85% of the folks here manage to give advice without insulting someone just because they happen to be a novice.
Obviously for them to be experienced, they had to be a novice at one time themselves. I thought everyone should keep in the back of their mind before responding to a question.
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#55752 - 10/24/2003 10:43 AM |
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Denver,
As a suggestion, First, identify exactly what you want the dog to do. Secondly, before starting any of the "protection" phase of training concentrate on obediance. Once you have control of the dog with verbal commands, then start meeting the objectives you've identified for you dog. While a lot of the preparation work, can be done alone, you will at sometime need some "friends" to help. Mr Geel is correct. Dog training is not rocket science. But it does take planning, knowing what your objectives are, and consistency. On a personal note, one thing I've learned in the 35 plus years I've been working with dogs is: the only thing 2 dog trainers can agree on is that, the third one is wrong. Don't take anything personal. Ask your question, use what in useful too you and ignore the rest.
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#55753 - 10/24/2003 10:47 AM |
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To any Moderator.
Wouldn't this discussion be best viewed under the "Protection" heading. The answers probably won't be any more gentle but it is not a "Police" type of discussion.
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