Yuko Blum wrote 02/22/2007 04:44 PM Re: Vet says no worms but i seen them... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #130460 - 02/22/2007 04:44 PM
Yuko Blum Webboard User Reg: 11-20-2006 Posts: 1002 Loc: Offline	Makes sense of course Just curious, but does the heartworm medication you use also protect your dogs against other types of worms? Are there still some worms that they can pick up (regardless of medication) from eating raw meats? I take all the freezing precautions with wild game meats but I think you posted a while back that some types of worms actually survive the freezing... Oh well; I suppose that if my dogs did pick up some parasite from raw, that their stool checks would reveal that right? So confusing... all my vets had to say about raw was the usual salmonella, e-coli blabla nonsense, but they don't have a clue as to worms and other parasites
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Connie Sutherland wrote 02/22/2007 05:22 PM Re: Vet says no worms but i seen them... [Re: Yuko Blum ] #130470 - 02/22/2007 05:22 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Yuko Blum Makes sense of course Just curious, but does the heartworm medication you use also protect your dogs against other types of worms? Are there still some worms that they can pick up (regardless of medication) from eating raw meats? Yes, but I don't think it's likely to be raw meat feeding; I think it's likely to be other dogs' poops, etc. When one dog is infected with worms, eggs are passed with the feces and scattered everywhere. They can get on a dog’s coat and be licked off and swallowed. They can be in water. They can be in road kill. They hatch out and are fully developed in a matter of days. One of my dogs, who had sarcoptic mange when I adopted him, is on selamectin (which treats/prevents that, heartworm, ear mites, fleas, and a common tick). The others are on Heartguard. I don't think either one works on roundworms or tapeworms, but maybe someone else knows better and will post. But yes, I do think that random poop tests are a good answer. JMO.
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marie schobloch wrote 02/22/2007 05:22 PM Re: Vet says no worms but i seen them... [Re: Yuko Blum ] #130471 - 02/22/2007 05:22 PM
marie schobloch Webboard User Reg: 02-16-2007 Posts: 44 Loc: Wisconsin Offline	the heart worm meds i have for my 1 yesr old says it prevents heartworm disease and to treat and control ascarid and hookworm infections in dogs, administer 1 each month.
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Sarah Morris wrote 02/22/2007 10:04 PM Re: Vet says no worms but i seen them... [Re: marie schobloch ] #130517 - 02/22/2007 10:04 PM
Sarah Morris Webboard User Reg: 08-29-2006 Posts: 2324 Loc: Central Coast, California Offline	Iverhart Max chewables protect against roundworm, heartworm, hookworm, AND tapeworm. The tapeworm protection is really nice since this is what most dogs have a problem with. It is also cheaper than Heartgard...which is REALLY nice. True
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alice oliver wrote 02/22/2007 11:22 PM Re: Vet says no worms but i seen them... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #130528 - 02/22/2007 11:22 PM
alice oliver Webboard User Reg: 09-14-2005 Posts: 843 Loc: Offline	connie, are you sure that all states have heartworm? i don't think we have it here in montana. nobody uses heartworm meds here. working Mastiff
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Connie Sutherland wrote 02/22/2007 11:37 PM Re: Vet says no worms but i seen them... [Re: alice oliver ] #130531 - 02/22/2007 11:37 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: alice oliver connie, are you sure that all states have heartworm? i don't think we have it here in montana. nobody uses heartworm meds here. It certainly isn't as common as it is in the southeast, say...... but it was identified in Montana in the early 1990s and has increased every year since. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8331485&dopt=Abstract Nobody used it in Utah, either...... until the tree-hole mosquito showed up in the 1990s. It was a couple of years and many deaths before the public was made sufficiently aware to start using heartworm prevention. http://www.umaa.org/proceedings/WebPages/98/REPORT%20ON%20THE%20INCREASING%20INCIDENCE%20OF%20HEARTWORM%20IN%20NORTHERN%20UTAH.htm And that's the way it went in all the northern and western "no-heartworm" areas........ some still are not aware that heartworm is in every single state now and has been for almost ten years.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 02/22/2007 11:42 PM Re: Vet says no worms but i seen them... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #130532 - 02/22/2007 11:42 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Also: QUOTE: Until the late sixties, the disease was restricted to southern and eastern coastal regions of the United States. Now, however, cases have been reported from dogs native to all 50 states.END from http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:gxr9egsd088J:edis.ifas.ufl.edu/pdffiles/MG/MG10000.pdf+dogs,+heartworm,+what+states&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us
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alice oliver wrote 02/23/2007 11:45 AM Re: Vet says no worms but i seen them... [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #130597 - 02/23/2007 11:45 AM
alice oliver Webboard User Reg: 09-14-2005 Posts: 843 Loc: Offline	yikes. so, what should i do? what better place to ask that question than here? ben is almost five years old and as healthy as a horse. my vet has never said "boo" about heartworm, nor has any other vet in the area (i've seen or been a client of quite a few). none of the dog owners in the training or agility groups i've belonged to have ever mentioned it. what do i need to know to make a good decision for my dog? you do know, of course, that in the winter we get arctic level freezing (-30 to -50) ? working Mastiff
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marie schobloch wrote 02/23/2007 12:07 PM Re: Vet says no worms but i seen them... [Re: alice oliver ] #130608 - 02/23/2007 12:07 PM
marie schobloch Webboard User Reg: 02-16-2007 Posts: 44 Loc: Wisconsin Offline	i just found a great holistic vet and now have all my pets appointments set. he believes in raw/natural diet, no vaccines yearly, etc etc. he did say that heartworm meds every month though... so i cant wait to meet him!!
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Connie Sutherland wrote 02/23/2007 02:05 PM Re: Vet says no worms but i seen them... [Re: alice oliver ] #130646 - 02/23/2007 02:05 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	This is ONLY MHO, after a few years of monitoring the heartworm info on CDC and other sites. I have watched as every single western and northern state lagged approximately ten years between the initial cases and the widespread use of prevention. There's just a big lag in connecting isolated cases. I would print out some authoritative info and show it to my vet. My personal take is that I would give the prevention every month that has mosquitos. In my area, there's maybe two safe months because we have sudden very warm spells even in February. Again, this is JMO. I would like to read others' opinions. I don't ever want to face heartworm treatment for my dogs, and I don't see much downside to the prevention.
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